Angela Rayner says you can only be a Labour member if you believe TWAW

[jadefinch]

And has effectively also said that Women's Place and the LGB Alliance (essentially groups for women, gays and lesbians to meet and discuss women's, gay and lesbian issues) are hate groups and them meeting are hate crimes

It's very disconcerting watching an institution that you grew up just assuming you'd always support veering so far off course that not only can you no longer support them, you're kind of hoping nobody else does either. I never thought I'd find myself looking at the Labour Party and thinking "I wouldn't let you run me a bath, never mind run the country".

Yes I feel exactly the same kittens

For anyone unfamiliar with Women's Place UK these are their five core demands. According to Rayner et al. this is what a hate group looks like:

"1. Respectful and evidence-based discussion about the impact of the proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act to be allowed to take place and for women’s voices to be heard.

1. The principle of women-only spaces to be upheld – and where necessary extended.

1. A review of how the exemptions in the Equality Act (which allow for single sex services, or requirements that only a woman can apply for a job such as in a domestic violence refuge) are being applied in practice.

1. Government to consult with women’s organisations on how self-declaration would impact on women-only services and spaces.

1. Government to consult on how self-declaration will impact upon data gathering – such as crime, employment, pay and health statistics – and monitoring of sex-based discrimination such as the gender pay gap."

womansplaceuk.org/our-5-demands/

@VortexofBloggery Hmmm I don’t know, I reckon Starmer will have a wishy reply about labour needing to be a broad church and I’m going out on a limb to say Thornberry will hold out.

Time for a new party.

@JustTurtlesAllTheWayDown

I think I will vote for Ian Murray first, then Dr Rosena, then Angela Rayner, then Dawn Butler. As much as this from Angela is bad, Burgon must still go last.

I'm actually very sad about this as I think Starmer/Rayner was a good combo but it will now be overshadowed. I think it may be a case of misplaced loyalty as was not challenging for the leadership itself instead of RLB.

People on this thread are talking about "Labour doing this and that..." and I completely understand but it's actually a group within Labour that are now actively trying to destroy the party from the inside rather than give up control.

I feel like that too, Kittens and Ereshkigal. Ditto the Guardian.

Thread by Karen Ingala Smith:

threadreaderapp.com/thread/1227261651138809857.html

Snippets:

"I’ve just rejoined Labour. I’m from a northern working-class background. I’ve worked in specialist services for women subjected to men’s violence violence for 30yrs. I believe women’s sex based rights & protections matter. Do you want me expelled?"

"Since 2016, on International Women's Day since 2016 your sister party MP has read out the names of all UK women killed by men since the previous IWD. Thus ensuring their names are recorded in Hansard. She could not do this without my work." #ExpelMe

"I spoke on a panel at @ WomansPlaceUK #WomansLib2020 about what needs to happen to end men’s violence against women. I said I didn’t think there was the will. I didn’t say that prospective Labour leaders won’t even define woman. I should have." #ExpelMe

(Jess Phillips is the MP who reads out the names of women killed by men)

Nevermind Thornberry waving the trans flag in pink news today.....

that are now actively trying to destroy the party from the inside rather than give up control.

I don't know that they're aware that they're wrecking the party, as they genuinely believe that they're on the side of the angels. I don't think they care at all about whether or not they win elections though, it's all about what's going on within the party.

I refuse to let this issue force me out. I'm voting for Starmer and staying to fight this lunacy.

Me too. Someone has to try to rescue the Labour party.

This is just fucking madness? What are they thinking?!

Please anyone who's joined the party recently stay in until you've voted.

Keir Starmer isn't going to be a miracle worker but at the moment he's just about the only frigging hope we have of EVER having someone who can get Johnson out. At least let's give that a chance to happen.

@TheProdigalKittensReturn Until the data hacking smear and today's events I would have agreed with you. Now it looks like deliberate sabotage - what they're doing isn't even helping the RLB campaign so what's the point?

I hope the holdouts take the example of Victoria Atkins the other day, stressing that hastily made law is bad law and as much as some people are demanding the GRA be changed ASAP, this is important legislation to get right.

Hold your fire and consider your responsibilities to others in society - others who don't have Stonewall, Mermaids, law firms, corporations and so on on their side. If you really want to be a leader, hold your nerve and "take back control!"

Bloody hell, @Ereshkigalangcleg:

We demand an end to birth certificates and to legal gender. Gender records should be anonymised, and only ever recorded as part of equalities monitoring. Neither government, nor any institution, has any justification for keeping a register of trans people. Birth certificates are not just a violence against trans people, they are a material to the state’s oppression of “undocumented” immigrants and asylum seekers.

Then, later in the same document:

We demand immediate release & pardon for all trans prisoners.

So, birth certificates are dangerous (and violent), but immediately releasing all trans prisoners would be perfectly safe?

The fact that half of the prisoner who've identified themselves as trans within the system thus far have been sex offenders does rather put that particular demand into context.

@TransgenderAlly
Good. Angela Rayner is quite right about this as well. Bigotry has no place in the Labour party
I'm so sorry that I missed your thread. I was alerted to your completely neutral thread by a friend on Facebook.

The BBC article linked to above, www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51465800, actually contains factual and reasonable reporting. Having read it I thought "I bet Ben Hunte didn't write this". He hadn't, it was written by one of those passé female people who no one listens to these days.

Can you imagine what his version would have been like?

So, birth certificates are dangerous (and violent), but immediately releasing all trans prisoners would be perfectly safe?

Isn't the director of TAH Jess Bradley, the one who gave evidence to the Women & Eq Committee? And later was under investigation - something to do with penis-flashing and child abuse cartoons.

louhotel just read it. I don't think David the Dinner Lady will be enough for her, she'll have to sign up to the Trans Commandments to be safe.

So in the past few years, Labour have lost/ are losing the support of:

1. Scotland,
2. The Jewish Community,
3. Their working class heartlands in the Midlands and the North,

and now

1. Women.

Christ that's some going.

One of the replies o the Twitter thread: Saying ‘trans women are women’ won’t satisfy those campaigning against this, but a proper discussion might help.

How can you have a discussion when anything other than unquestioning acceptance leads to accusations of transphobia and cries of "TERF"?

Given that it's not possible to have any sort of discussion with people who believe in no debate perhaps those are the people he should be trying to reason with.

Uh oh, Lisa Nandy has spoken up:
twitter.com/lisanandy/status/1227362922571104258

Oh Lisa, I did want to support you but...

Sounds like Lisa Nandy's given in.

Thornberry was speaking to Pink News earlier so I think we can write her off.

So that just leaves Keir Starmer who seems to be pretending he hasn't seen it yet.