Ireland, same as it ever was

[OncewasLangandClegtwo]

"I realised I wanted a living wife, not a dead husband."

Interviewer repeats, and says that's profound.
Fuck off you wanker.

@tinselangel

Hope its OK to copy you into this?

When I was growing up it was almost seen as heresy/blasphemy to say you didn't believe that material reality could be changed by the act of saying specific words, then we had a referendum abolishing blasphemy laws, then this shit started.... Yep, same shit different day!

luddog

It's really something else isn't it.
I find it interesting that a a few days after the indo story that there's a trans couple with a sad story on the late late show.
I know, I know tin foil hat.

I'm sorry, but I find this discussion offensive. The Late Late Show is renowned for breaking boundaries and lifting the lid on 'hidden' Ireland.
The woman was saying that if she had had to continue to live as a man, she would have been suicidal.
That's brilliant that she can speak out like that!
Ireland is not what you think we may be.
We've always always always been a rebellious nation. And that is how we got our Independence from Britain. By being rebellious.
I'm very proud that we speak out about these more silenced parts of our lives. And I'm glad that we have a forum to do so.
Gay Byrne started the Late Late Show and died just last year. I actually cried on the phone when my Dad told me, such was the man.
He rattled the gates of power, he danced on the tables of the Church. He broke the mould. That show thankfully, continues to tackle the 'not mentioned'.

In a far more grown up fashion than any English show I know of.

Just go onto youtube and search for Gay Byrne interviews and you'll see what he challenged. He challenged the church. He challenged the state. He brought condoms onto the show in the 80's when none of us had seen one. He was a legend.

And btw - the Late Late Show is the longest running talk show programme in the world.

Ireland has a significantly higher suicide rate than the UK and higher male to female ratio (and presumably NI rates are included in UK figures and they are higher than the mainland figures so Britain would be lower again.

2018 suicide rates:
Ireland 7.2 per 100,000
U.K. 11.2 per 100,000

Ireland was silenced for so long on so many things, that Gay Byrne was the only one wishing to risk his job by discussing them. Ireland is now so liberated that we wouldn't care a jot about a trans couple being on the Late Late.

That show thankfully, continues to tackle the 'not mentioned'.

I'm sorry, is the implication here that in Ireland the heartrending struggles of late transitioning middle-aged transwomen are usually "not mentioned?"

I agree, we really don't fucking care.

Mercifully we've a lower suicide rate than the UK.

Ireland is now so liberated that we wouldn't care a jot about a trans couple being on the Late Late.

I don't know if you realise how cringily backward and embarrassing you are making Ireland sound. Are you a Brit roleplaying? Possibly, a Brit who identifies as Irish?

As an Irish woman, I care about every single citizen.

I agree, we really don't fucking care. That's my point.

We do.

@Kantastic If a transcouple were to go on some British show here, there would be uproar - well among the Feminists of MN anyway.

It didn't even make headlines in Ireland. We're more accepting of people than this small segment of reality that is the Feminist board on MN.

If a transcouple were to go on some British show here, there would be uproar - well among the Feminists of MN anyway. It didn't even make headlines in Ireland

it wouldn't make headlines in Britain either. And trans people are on British TV all the time without MN or anyone else giving a fuck. I don't believe for a second that you're Irish, you're acting like it's a novelty that trans people can be on the TV without nuns rioting on the streets.

also your erasure of the woman with "transcouple" is noted.

Gay Byrne really wasn't all that.

It's manipulative as can be to threaten suicide to force someone else to comply.

It's also against Samaritans guidelines to push the idea that one certain group is more prone to suicide, especially when it's false, as is the case with trans stats.

Completely irresponsible reporting. That poor woman.

Ba bhfuil tu caint as Gaeilge?

It's manipulative as can be to threaten suicide to force someone else to comply.

Where in the interview did she say that she wanted someone to comply?

The way I interpreted it was, that if she didn't admit who she was, she was going to die.

I've felt similar about a very different circumstance. I chose to do what would keep me alive. I realised that I had as much right to life as anyone else and if that meant making pretty radical unconventional decisions then I had to make them. It took me years battling to finally make the decision, but I'm still alive and more useful than being a dead relative.

ok fair enough

and actually there is a sort of childish performative reverence of transpeople among the woke or aspiring woke, which I have seen even among young people in Dublin, and that attitude is possibly the reason your comment felt so weirdly cringey and inauthentic to me. God I hope we've got enough brains to think critically about all the bullshit instead of just being brainlessly hypnotised by our fond memories of the gay marriage referendum.

No. It's called having minds of our own.

Are they both men identifying as women, hence the trans couple?

TBH I couldn't tell which of them was trans. I couldn't even figure out why they were being interviewed as they just looked like two women to me.

You seem to have a particular issue with teens being trans on here. And yet, you also seem to have an issue with middle aged trans?
When is it acceptable to be trans?

No. It's called having minds of our own.

Oh good god, do you not see any problem with that sentence? Ireland is fucking doomed man, seems like the woke hivemind has collonised us without even a token attempt at rebellion.