Ireland, same as it ever was

[OncewasLangandClegtwo]

"I realised I wanted a living wife, not a dead husband."

Interviewer repeats, and says that's profound.
Fuck off you wanker.

@tinselangel

Hope its OK to copy you into this?

[Kantastic]

Are they both men identifying as women, hence the trans couple?

Oh possibly! I didn't watch it as I couldn't imagine finding it interesting, but the quotes from here made it sound like it's the same old same old story of a late-transitioning transwoman and a longsuffering actual woman.

[OncewasLangandClegtwo]

I said trans couple by mistake.
What I'm concerned about is the language used, the manipulative, emotive language used, the same language used by prominent TRAs in the UK.
I'm concerned that doctors are having their concerns omitted from the minutes of meetings.
UK concerned that male abusers are being housed in a womans prison.
I'm wondering how this all happened.
And no I'm not a fan of Gay Byrne, especially not impressed by his treatment of Annie Murphy.

[OncewasLangandClegtwo]

late-transitioning transwoman and a longsuffering actual woman.

Yea that's what happened. Same as usual.

[OncewasLangandClegtwo]

*I'm concerned, not UK concerned

[NothingWrong]

Kantastic why comment on an interview you haven't even seen?

[Kantastic]

Kantastic why comment on an interview you haven't even seen?

I didn't.

Commenting on this thread !=commenting on the interview.

[Amalfimamma]

A few points.

Gay Byrne may have been ahead of his time and fearless but turdbity is no Byrne.

"I'd rather have a wife whose alive than a dead husband" prove emotional abuse, coercion and the same old story that's been told time and time again by the trans widows.

"Ireland is rebellious" that indeed we are. So that is why it's even more worrying that the current leaders of the Irish feminism movement are mostly male (ora MRA), professional paid activists? Why is Noone rebelling against Tulsa and their "allow abusers to i terview their victims" policy? Why is no one rebelling against hormones being given to children? Tulsa being able to remove children from the home if parents are gc? Men in female prisons? The list goes on.

Leo, the unelected prime Minister, done more harm than good to the women of Ireland with his barely hidden misogny

[ludog]

@NothingWrong what would be truly groundbreaking Gay Byrne style, would be allowing a dissenting voice be heard. GB was ground breaking because, for example, he showed condoms in the LLS at a time when even married couples needed a prescription for them. He spoke out against the prevailing orthodoxy and allowed other voices be heard. There's currently only one type of voice allowed on Irish media and that's the voices telling us what We are allowed to think not the ones challenging us to think critically.

[TreestumpsAndTrampolines]

No coyoacan not at all exclusive to Ireland but I think its fair to ask why people are so unquestioning, like Ireland was with the church in the past..

I don't think people are unquestioning. The people I speak most to are other mothers at the school gate (I work remotely, so my colleagues are neither irish, nor in Ireland) - and the mothers are both aware, and completely intolerant of damaging kids. Completely open to people wearing what they like, doing what they want to themselves as adults, no problems with people being gay or whatever religion, but draw the line at children, and I have no doubt would be right in the school if they started teaching any of the 'choose your gender' nonsense rather than just letting kids be kids.

Perhaps I'm not in a representative school - it's just a little Church of Ireland National School South of Dublin, but the people here seem very sensible and reasonable, and concerned and thinking about this sort of thing.

[OncewasLangandClegtwo]

TreestumpsAndTrampolines

Yes of course there are a people, who if they do know about it don't agree.
However the media are not questioning it and so a lot of people don't know and just want to be nice...

Some educate together secondary schools are introducing "universal toilets" and an educate together in Limerick wants to "push acceptance on their pupils".

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/new-limerick-secondary-school-to-install-gender-neutral-toilets-961522.html

Nothingwrong

What do you think of the concerns I've talked about in my post?

[ludog]

Ireland was silenced for so long on so many things, that Gay Byrne was the only one wishing to risk his job by discussing them. Ireland is now so liberated that we wouldn't care a jot about a trans couple being on the Late Late.
To offer an alternative opinion to a fawning 'TWAW' is to risk one's job and professional reputation in 2020 Ireland. Nothing against that couple on the LLS but there is absolutely no risk with having them on the show, it's a guaranteed woke brownie point generator.

[NothingWrong]

What does TWAW stand for?

[NothingWrong]

Lol, if you think Granny in Galway, Roscommon, Donegal or Dublin wouldn't have been wanting to 'turn that filth off', then you're wrong. Our younger generation are a very tolerant and accepting people and always have been. A lot of shame and guilt and terror and torture and abuse was piled on us though for being even slightly different in the past. So we are not going to let that happen to our younger generations. And they can make up their own minds.

[ludog]

TWAW = "Transwonen are women"

[ludog]

Granny shouting 'turn off that filth' will not cost anyone their job. But anyone challenging the new religion of gender ideology in public is very much risking their job and their professional reputation by doing so.

[NothingWrong]

Well I personally don't agree with questioning people who are trans, so I certainly wouldn't be jumping on that bandwagon. Why not contact the Late Late Show and request to be a speaker on the show? There are 3 sides to every argument.

[OncewasLangandClegtwo]

Nothing

Any comment on the concerns I talked about?
You don't have to engage of course.

[ludog]

I'm not talking about questioning people who are trans. I am talking about questioning an ideology that states that a person is whatever they say they are, no debate and that anyone with any concerns about that whatsoever is a bigot and deserves to lose their livelihood. That's where we're at, that's the new religion that we cannot blaspheme against. And, no, for the reasons I've just given, I'm not prepared to go on the LLS and put my head above the parapet as a modern day witch to be hunted by the pure of mind.

[Kantastic]

I personally don't agree with questioning people who are trans

...from the person who also gave us the Life Of Brian-esque

No. It's called having minds of our own.

What a relief there's no bandwagon jumping happening!
We sure have moved on from our dogma-drenched past - coast to coast critical thinking, that's Ireland these days, and Nothing is all the evidence we need of that.

[OncewasLangandClegtwo]

Well I personally don't agree with questioning people who are trans

This is how we got to the point of a male sexual abuser, a man who also abused a child being put in a female prison.
Why would anyone not question this decision?

[NothingWrong]

Because you're talking about a specific case. Yes of course I would question that. But I am not into tarring everyone with one brush. Like that or not.

[NothingWrong]

And I'm going to do a Mary Lou on it now and say that I can't comment on something I haven't seen.
So if you could link to this case you refer to, I might comment.

[Amalfimamma]

nothing

Don't do a Mary Lou as Mary Lou is always exposed for the liar she is....

www.womenarehuman.com/male-sex-offender-placed-in-womens-prison-already-plagued-by-sexual-abuse-scandal/

[OncewasLangandClegtwo]

"Sex offender undergoing male to female transition being held in Dublin women's jail"

www.google.com/amp/s/www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/sex-offender-undergoing-male-female-16623261.amp

"the Gender Recognition Act 2015 has placed the State in an impossible position with regard to transgender prisoners."


www.lawsociety.ie/gazette/top-stories/male-bodied-transgender-inmate-housed-with-women-prisoners/

[OncewasLangandClegtwo]

"Doctors in row with HSE over claims children's transgender care is unsafe"

www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/doctors-in-row-with-hse-over-claims-childrens-transgender-care-is-unsafe-38920159.html