Ireland, same as it ever was

[OncewasLangandClegtwo]

"I realised I wanted a living wife, not a dead husband."

Interviewer repeats, and says that's profound.
Fuck off you wanker.

@tinselangel

Hope its OK to copy you into this?

[OncewasLangandClegtwo]

Mar

The links are for anyone who might not have seen them, I'm hoping ThoughtWrong might read them.
That's the thing it's not just Ruth, Sinn Feins lgbt policy includes gender recognition for under 16s.
I'd imagine not a lot of people know this.

[MarDhea]

Thanks Once but I don't need the links again. I'm well familiar with the situation

My comments weren't directed as you specifically, but to the "gender ideology is the new catholic church in Ireland" trope that has popped up repeatedly on MN discussions of trans issues in Ireland. It's annoying not only because it's untrue, but because it smacks of a stereotype of stupidity and gullibility that we could really do without, and makes it sound like a lost cause when it's far from it.

Yes, things moved fast in legislation before the general public had a clue what was going on. But that's policy capture by lobbyists, not woke acceptance by the populace. The general view, when you get ordinary people talking about it, is very far from blind acceptance indeed. I'm not fond of boards.ie for many reasons, but look at this discussion of the Late Late segment that the OP is about - it's more sarky "stunning and bwaaaave" comments, sympathy for the wife, and turns into discussion of predators in women's toilets. Or another recent example is Ruth Coppinger - the wokest voice in the Dáil by a long shot - losing her seat in the election because she really wasn't in touch with her constituency.

Same as in the UK, it's the policy capture that we need to tackle, which is difficult when it comes from very well-funded lobbyists. Unquestioning wokeism on the part of the general public is not where problem lies.

[ludog]

I'm speaking out about this more and more and am met with a mixture of disbelief and total bemusement. The initial response is usually along the lines of 'be kind, what harm are they doing you?' but I've peaked a few people when they see what's really happening. There's definitely a concerted policy of capture going on, I have a family member who is HR in a big Dublin company and she's very much on the TWAW train. I think TENI have done training with them.

[OncewasLangandClegtwo]

but the rest of the country isn't being cowed into silence, thanks.

Is that in response to me MarDhea?

I don't watch rte, I came across the video on YouTube, I don't read the Irish Times is not my only new source and did post links to two other online news articles.

What I want to know is how this all happened so fast. And how its profound that a woman is on national TV with her transwoman husband saying:
"I realised I wanted a living wife, not a dead husband."
Policies have been made that allow a male paedophile in a female prison.
Now they are trying to lower the age to aquire a GRC to under 16s, with the support of Amnesty:

www.amnesty.ie/amnesty-international-welcomes-todays-report-on-the-review-of-the-2015-gender-recognition-act/

Will this happen quietly aswell and will the talking only happen after its made policy?

Article about trans lobbyists tactics:

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2019/12/the-document-that-reveals-the-remarkable-tactics-of-trans-lobbyists/

Untill I start talking about this no one in my family or my friends knew about any of it.
Saying that I'm not yet at the school gates stage yet!

[MarDhea]

Yeah, mahogany gaspipes..

[pachyderm]

Only just noticed the "Irish"! Yeah, mahogany gaspipes..

[Amalfimamma]

Not that fluent, grammar is odd

Yeah, Google translate seems to do that...

[pachyderm]

Don't forget Nothingwrong's ignorant assertion on that other thread that Leo Varadkar doesn't understand Irish history because his parents are Indian. Another poster corrected her, saying actually his mother is Irish. NW again insisted that both his parents are Indian.

So apart from all the other ill-informed shite you came out with (Gay Byrne was hardly sticking it to the Church ffs) I'm not sure you're posting in good faith. Best ignore.

[MarDhea]

This is the second thread on the go where NothingWrong is making pronouncements on Irish views and opinions despite the fact that she doesn't live here.

Yup, she was/is talking absolute shite and doesn't represent what people actually living in Ireland are thinking, saying, and doing.

That said, I it's also nonsense to say that people in Ireland are swallowing gender ideology unquestioningly. It's not true, but you might get that impression if you only watched RTÉ / read the IT.

But ordinary people at the school gates, on facebook and rollercoaster, down the pub... there's far greater awareness than even 2-3 years ago and it's definitely NOT all acceptance. The news of the TW housed in a women's prison? Most people were shocked and thought it was disgraceful, and there was decent coverage on radio and newspapers (i.e., not the IT). That kid on the Late Late toy show? Loads of discussion in the following days and general opinion was compassion for the bullying she had endured but that she was definitely a girl. The news of the HSE covering up criticism by Irish doctors of how the Dublin Tavi clinic prescribing hormones to minors without due diligence? People voiced real anger about that both on radio and online.

It's not helpful to catastrophise, and it's insulting to say the whole country is blindly accepting gender ideology when it's so blatantly not the case. I can see why it might be hard to voice criticisms in some workplaces (e.g., woke central like RTE or the Facebook offices), but the rest of the country isn't being cowed into silence, thanks.

[OncewasLangandClegtwo]

OK thanks Amal

[Amalfimamma]

OncewasLangandClegtwo

Was referring to nothings 's post invoking the beacon of truth and wiseness

[OncewasLangandClegtwo]

Amalfimamma

I didn't see anything about Mary Lou in that article.What does she have to do with this, I haven't heard?

[OncewasLangandClegtwo]

3timeslucky

I really hope NothingWrong reads the links posted. People just don't know these things are happening.

[elgreco]

Not that fluent, grammar is odd.

Men, women and children all in jail together, very progressive....like mid 19th century.

[3timeslucky]

This is the second thread on the go where NothingWrong is making pronouncements on Irish views and opinions despite the fact that she doesn't live here. On Craicnet she decreed that FG lost the election because of the RIC commemoration debacle. And here she's decreeing that we're all fucking delighted with the TRA movement and its seepage into both legislation and media wokery.

Both total bollix, no matter how fluent in Irish she might be.

[OncewasLangandClegtwo]

"Doctors in row with HSE over claims children's transgender care is unsafe"

www.independent.ie/irish-news/health/doctors-in-row-with-hse-over-claims-childrens-transgender-care-is-unsafe-38920159.html

[OncewasLangandClegtwo]

"Sex offender undergoing male to female transition being held in Dublin women's jail"

www.google.com/amp/s/www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/sex-offender-undergoing-male-female-16623261.amp

"the Gender Recognition Act 2015 has placed the State in an impossible position with regard to transgender prisoners."


www.lawsociety.ie/gazette/top-stories/male-bodied-transgender-inmate-housed-with-women-prisoners/

[Amalfimamma]

nothing

Don't do a Mary Lou as Mary Lou is always exposed for the liar she is....

www.womenarehuman.com/male-sex-offender-placed-in-womens-prison-already-plagued-by-sexual-abuse-scandal/

[NothingWrong]

And I'm going to do a Mary Lou on it now and say that I can't comment on something I haven't seen.
So if you could link to this case you refer to, I might comment.

[NothingWrong]

Because you're talking about a specific case. Yes of course I would question that. But I am not into tarring everyone with one brush. Like that or not.

[OncewasLangandClegtwo]

Well I personally don't agree with questioning people who are trans

This is how we got to the point of a male sexual abuser, a man who also abused a child being put in a female prison.
Why would anyone not question this decision?

[Kantastic]

I personally don't agree with questioning people who are trans

...from the person who also gave us the Life Of Brian-esque

No. It's called having minds of our own.

What a relief there's no bandwagon jumping happening!
We sure have moved on from our dogma-drenched past - coast to coast critical thinking, that's Ireland these days, and Nothing is all the evidence we need of that.

[ludog]

I'm not talking about questioning people who are trans. I am talking about questioning an ideology that states that a person is whatever they say they are, no debate and that anyone with any concerns about that whatsoever is a bigot and deserves to lose their livelihood. That's where we're at, that's the new religion that we cannot blaspheme against. And, no, for the reasons I've just given, I'm not prepared to go on the LLS and put my head above the parapet as a modern day witch to be hunted by the pure of mind.

[OncewasLangandClegtwo]

Nothing

Any comment on the concerns I talked about?
You don't have to engage of course.

[NothingWrong]

Well I personally don't agree with questioning people who are trans, so I certainly wouldn't be jumping on that bandwagon. Why not contact the Late Late Show and request to be a speaker on the show? There are 3 sides to every argument.