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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Women's Liberation 2020 - on Women's Hour today!

87 replies

ContessaferJones · 07/02/2020 09:25

DH gave me the heads up - it's on at 10am. Will see if I can tune in :)

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000dymy

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SonicVersusGynaephobia · 07/02/2020 11:40

The Twitter TRAs are annoyed that transwomen weren't given a right of reply after so many lies were made about transwomen in the piece...

I didn't actually hear transwomen mentioned, did anyone else?

ScrimshawTheSecond · 07/02/2020 11:47

Ooh, this sounds like a tonic! Thanks for posting, will listen later. Women's voices, loud and clear - how utterly refreshing.

midclegs · 07/02/2020 11:51

Does anyone know when we can listen to it via playback?

Helmetbymidnight · 07/02/2020 11:53

I missed this, but will try and catch up.

Interesting the change in editorial on Radio 4?

On 6 o'clock news last night they talked about the Stephanie Hayden case, is it? And then in a separate item talked about the Oxford Council being sued by the 13 yrs old.

Then on the today show this morning, they asked the university if women's meetings were allowed to take place about excluding 'anatomical males' and the university guy said absolutely yes.

A sea-change maybe...

nauticant · 07/02/2020 12:03

Normally it whould be up by now midclegs. You'll need to try www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000dymy later. I'd expect it to be up very soon.

Melroses · 07/02/2020 12:19

It does seem to take a tad longer than you expect for them to put it up these days, but usually by 2pm

SadlyMissTaken · 07/02/2020 12:20

The guest on the Today prog was a bit non committal on that point I thought. WH sounds fab. Look forward to listening later.

ThePurported · 07/02/2020 12:25

Bugger, I missed this. Come on BBC, all the other R4 programmes from this morning are already up!

midclegs · 07/02/2020 13:07

It's up - listening. @AmericanSlang - you were fab, esp liked your comments about wanting to see the girls protesting outside come in with us, I felt v sorry for them.

Michelleoftheresistance · 07/02/2020 13:27

Why would TW need the right of reply on a programme about females and issues specifically affecting females, about a female's liberation conference? Confused

ScrimshawTheSecond · 07/02/2020 13:41

Relevant section of the programme starts at 16.30, listening now!

ScrimshawTheSecond · 07/02/2020 13:52

Oh, my word. When women finally get the chance to talk about what matters to them, when we have a group of women who agree on what a woman is - the scope and depth of the issues we face is breathtaking. There is so much to be done.

ThePurported · 07/02/2020 13:55

Why would TW need the right of reply on a programme about females and issues specifically affecting females, about a female's liberation conference?

Quite.
Jane Garvey: "Every single day, a man tweets to ask why there has to be a Woman's Hour. Every single day."
Thank you Woman's Hour Flowers

ScrimshawTheSecond · 07/02/2020 14:01

Yes, and the subsequent conversation:

'When is that going to stop? '
'It's not, and that's why you need a Woman's Hour'

Thank you, Woman's Hour.

AmericanSlang · 07/02/2020 14:05

Thanks @midclegs I felt quite strongly that if they would just stop shouting mantras and listen for a bit, they would realise the issues discussed at that conference affect us all

NeurotrashWarrior · 07/02/2020 14:15

Very good and I'm
So
Glad it was there.

The only think I'd say is that if you had no idea about what's going on, a number of things mentioned wouldn't make sense.

I hope that more lurkers lurk here and WH cover more aspects of all this in the weeks to come.

Masai71 · 07/02/2020 14:29

Thank you womans hour. I stopped the car and was almost in tears and cheering listening to this and not caring who saw

ArranUpsideDown · 07/02/2020 14:30

The only think I'd say is that if you had no idea about what's going on, a number of things mentioned wouldn't make sense.

For any lurkers or people who are curious after listening to Woman's Hour @LadyPrincesexual or Jane Clare Jones is very helpful on this.

The other major concern we have is that feminism is fundamentally a political movement dedicated to articulating the interests of female people, and in explaining why female people are oppressed as female people. Women are oppressed by gender, but they are not, fundamentally, oppressed because of the way they perform their gender. Men rape female people. Men exercise violent coercive control over female people. Foetuses are aborted because they are female. Clitorises are cut out because they are the organs of sexual pleasure of female people. Women are paid less because they are female. And none of this can be avoided, or changed, by the way women do their gendering, or by trying to coerce everyone into thinking that female people do not exist. All this will achieve is to make the speaking of the sex-based oppression of women impossible, which is exactly what we’ve been saying is the threat hiding in plain sight in trans ideology this whole damn time. What Twitter is doing, therefore, by seeking to ban as hate-speech the actually non-existent dehumanization of groups of people by ‘reducing them to their genitals,’ is to prevent the speaking of the feminist analysis of the oppression of women

janeclarejones.com/2018/09/26/twitter-trans-rights-totalitarianism-and-the-erasure-of-sex/

#Thisisnotadrill

Lordfrontpaw · 07/02/2020 14:32

Sorry, I'm being a bit slow - what's ' Mumsnet FWR'?

sleepyinsussex · 07/02/2020 14:34

FWR = Feminism and Women's Rights = this board on Mumsnet

It's what this section used to be called, way back when. I think. (Puzzled me too when I first heard it called that!)

ArranUpsideDown · 07/02/2020 14:35

what's ' Mumsnet FWR'?

This board - feminism and women's rights.

Lordfrontpaw · 07/02/2020 14:35

D'uhhhhhhhhhhh

NeurotrashWarrior · 07/02/2020 14:40

Thanks Arran,

This is also a good 101 what's going on:

(By Helen)

standpointmag.co.uk/issues/february-2020/speaking-up-for-female-eunuchs/

Languishingfemale · 07/02/2020 14:44

An inspiring end to the week. Well done Woman's Hour and especially well done WPUK and everyone there.

Charley50 · 07/02/2020 14:45

Sounds really great will listen later.

Re: the question on the Today programme, about free speech at uni, specifically women's voices and meetings being repeatedly shut down; I agree with a pp, the reply from the NTU NUS rep was really noncommittal.