All the best to Kate Scottow in court tomorrow

[BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted]

@BustedWench: we haven’t forgotten. I have a prior commitment tomorrow but fully intend to be there to support you on Friday,

I’m not a fan of the lawyer by any means. (Also, how many brushes with the law?!). The police’s handling of this was excessive. I would think that there are other, more pressing issues that need their attention.

But why continue to engage with this person by creating new accounts? That’s the one thing that bothers me tbh.

I was asking a genuine question.

I would think that SH knew how to fill out the form and conduct the PIP in the manner to support the application that must also have been supported by SH's GP and various consultants.

I do think given the circumstances, with the multis theres a large chance Kate will be found guilty

However if the case goes against Kate it still won't be a win for Hayden. There is no win for Hayden or for the gender identity extremist lobby in this.

If it goes against Kate then it will have been demonstrated, clearly, inescapably, that someone biologically male and trans can behave however they like to a female person and that female person will have no recourse to law, or defence against them. Bear in mind Hayden's golfing hints to Caroline Farrow. The evidence goes a very long way past possible rudeness and offensiveness of misgendering. There's further a long history of evidence of the police not acting.

However if a female person is even possibly rude to a trans person, that trans person can have the police behind them and bring the full weight of the law to punish that female person. When they themselves do far worse, and openly get away with it.

Total inequality before the law. Trans will be proven as a privilege status that exempts a person born male from normal law and ethics and standards, is a white card for that person to behave freely in ways that they are supported in punishing others for, and are overall a more respected, heard, law recognised and privileged type of person. And female will be proven as the subclass of society. It's going to be right there. Evidenced, in front of the general public. Who are already pissed off

Unequal policing. Active discrimination and active favouring. The police will be deep fried. Were they afraid to challenge a trans person? Were they so soaked in Woke that they agree with and are enacting an ideology of unequal justice? I'm not sure which is going to be worse for them come the public inquiry.

The general public won't like this at all. It's going to do for PR what Yaniv did when they took the waxers to court. And Kate will be a public martyr if any kind of consequences are applied. There's going to be a hell of a lot of public sympathy for her, this is already seen as a major miscarriage of justice and political lunacy and has been since she was arrested.

I couldn't agree more Michelle, (again 😄).

Whatever happens, this is a complete loss for Hayden and the police.

A proven lying, cheating, deceiving, intimidating, violent ex-con, targeting a breastfeeding mother?

Would Kate have been able to show the tweets Hayden and Harrop were using to intimidate Caroline Farrow? Talking about her husband's church and the nearby golf courses, etc?

Agree Michelle and Datun. It's now very much in the public domain that Hayden has a conviction for violence and has served a 6 month prison sentence.

Easy to see who is Goliath, and who is David.

SH has managed to get disability payments for memory loss

Just want to point out that no one gets PIP for memory loss but for needing assistance, or being completely unable to perform, everyday tasks due to disability which can include memory loss.

These tasks are not things like attending court but things like washing, dressing, bathing, managing a health condition, using a toilet, microwaving a meal, managing money, reading and understanding signs, communicating verbally, planning a route or traveling unaided.

Someone does not need to have difficulties in all those areas but has to require significant assistance from another person in at least one of those tasks to qualify for PIP.

Google will show up the full descriptors and explain how many points one needs to qualify for PIP.

like washing, dressing, bathing, managing a health condition, using a toilet, microwaving a meal, managing money, reading...but has to require significant assistance from another person in at least one of those tasks to qualify for PIP.

Agreed. I know the Benefits and Work site (amongst others) gives useful guidance but it's not straightforward and meant to have substantial supporting documentation as well as knowledge of how to fill in the assessment appropriately. Plus, the need to know how to behave in the assessment and how to appeal it (if necessary).

I don’t understand, how is Stephanie Hayden a lawyer with all those court appearances and time in prison, as detailed in the Mail? Usually that would be a bar. Is Stephanie a solicitor, or a barrister? Does Stephanie have a practising certificate?

The term "lawyer" is not a protected term. Hayden identifies as a lawyer, but is not able to professionally practice law. Indeed the solicitors regulatory body made Hayden change the definition of one of their many dodgy businesses as they had described it with "solicitor" which is a protected term.

MrsKneller - Hayden is allowed to call themselves a lawyer, which is not a protected term, but not to call themselves a solicitor or barrister.

I was there yesterday. As well as saying wrongly that MN was behind the revelation of the golf club incident, Hayden also claimed that MN was full of transphobic attacks that included deadnaming and misgendering. Kate's barrister didn't pick Hayden up on this, because I guess she can't be expected to know that MN bans deadnaming and misgendering.

The barrister did, however, make much of the fact that Kate had blocked Hayden on Twitter and said that Hayden must have known this, at one point saying that Hayden was at risk of committing perjury when Hayden denied it. I think this is because the emphasis in the Malicious Communications Act is on deliberately targeting and harassing someone - hard to say this is happening if the supposedly harassing party had blocked the other party. Hayden's argument was that Twitter was a public forum and any tweet could be seen by anyone (e.g. by retweeting).

It seems obvious that the legislation was designed to cover malicious emails, probably so that there would be a law covering the equivalent of poison pen letters. Quite clearly it wasn't designed to cover social media because social media didn't really exist then (certainly not Twitter and Facebook). So there are important points of law here about the extent to which writing slightly impertinent tweets behind someone's back can be covered by this legislation. It's pretty alarming, in fact, that this point of law is being interpreted and pronounced upon by a magistrate who, with all respect to magistrates, is not legally qualified in the same way as a crown court judge.

Seems like a weird choice of degree, knowing that you will never be able to actually practice, due to your past.

What good would in-depth knowledge of the law be, if you can’t make professional use of it?

Oh crikey. Penny dropped. I sure can be naive sometimes!

Hasn't SH been banned from Mumsnet? I seem to remember SH was a while back.

They seem to be quite capable of travelling independently

It's feasible that the PIP award is being used well - and is spent on useful software or appropriate personal assistance that makes full participation in work, social, and civic life feasible.

Thanks, Spartacus - my mistake. That's a relief.

Thank you for the support, all the well wishes have held me up.

I had my first account for 10 years, was targeted and banned after the story in the MoS was released.

HampsonAlice was set up to circumvent the block lists my original BustedWench account was on, I understand many have done the same.

The third account was set up due to the BustedWench one being banned. No more to it really, realise it appears bad but I never intended to be anonymous or I wouldn't post my cute doggy pictures

Again I appreciate all the support I've received, it means so much, and I can never really put into words how seeing so much support and the superb fierce women in the gallery helped me when I took the stand.

Also, I have a spent conviction from when I was 15/16 I think, never tried as an adult! The 90's were interesting for me

I don't think it's on to speculate about someone's PIP award. Bad form.

Pointing out someone's criminal convictions already in the public domain though, and judging them as a total cunt based on their behaviour, is Good.

Busted I think you have been extremely brave and I sincerely hope it goes well for you. You have done an amazing thing at least in putting SH's behaviour and convictions into the public domain and showing them up for who they are.

I hope you can take comfort in the fact that by SH's own actions, they have made life harder for themselves, which serves them right for trying to fuck you over

PS I'm also banned from Twitter. It took about a week