All the best to Kate Scottow in court tomorrow

[BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted]

@BustedWench: we haven’t forgotten. I have a prior commitment tomorrow but fully intend to be there to support you on Friday,

Busted I'd maybe have a spent conviction, but I never got caught

We all hope you win in court, but even if you dont, you're not the looser here.

My dad was a vicar growing up, I'll say no more 😂

The barrister did, however, make much of the fact that Kate had blocked Hayden on Twitter and said that Hayden must have known this, at one point saying that Hayden was at risk of committing perjury when Hayden denied it. I think this is because the emphasis in the Malicious Communications Act is on deliberately targeting and harassing someone - hard to say this is happening if the supposedly harassing party had blocked the other party. Hayden's argument was that Twitter was a public forum and any tweet could be seen by anyone (e.g. by retweeting).

So Scottow wasn't even tweeting at Hayden? Scottow had blocked Hayden, but Hayden was still obsessively seeking out Scottows tweets so that Hayden could take offence?

Twitter was a public forum and any tweet could be seen by anyone (e.g. by retweeting)

This came up in Harry's case too: if you go looking online for messages (or hear third hand that such a message was written) that you find offensive, should this be treated the same as if someone had intentionally sent that message directly to you with the intent of offending you? Do you have a right not to be offended by anything you can find online even if you go looking for it?

Kate what better can you wish any woman that she has a bunch of fierce women in the gallery for her when needed?

Cross post Spartacus, sorry.

We are talking about someone who served 6 months for deception-I think its relevant. They know how to play the system to their advantage. (& seem to think they are untouchable)

Can we stop with the PIP please? As Spartacus said, it is not pleasant for disabled people to read - I receive PIP and have working memory problems due to brain issues (which is not what I receive the PIP for ironically) the memory comments here are quite upsetting.

(I also think it's a risk of derailing the thread!)

City, point taken and I apologise. Please know that I was talking about this particular and specific individual though. If it's needed, it should be accessible and there should be more of it IMO.

Also, I have a spent conviction from when I was 15/16 I think, never tried as an adult! The 90's were interesting for me

Ah, the 90s.

We had a blast, didn’t we?

Apologies if any offence was taken regarding the PIP for SH. I refered to it as it was mentioned in the case and it’s relevant to our discussion of SH. I also have personally involvement of disability benefits and understand how hard it it to prove the support needed for even obvious serious disabilities.

We’ve spoken many times on here about free speech and whilst I appreciate some may be uncomfortable with us discussing SH’s disability payments, it is relevant and it’s been mentioned in court. It is a valid discussion topic and I don’t think we should stop people discussing it as that too is bad form.

@DuLANGMondeFOREVER oh my didn't we just

Always admired your style, especially in the 90's, iconic (dons shiny PVC trousers and stacked platforms)

Sorry, not querying the PIP thing, but didn't the DM article quote SH as saying PIP was means tested, meaning the publication of that information (which I understood to be SH's personal financial position) was detrimental to SH. Maybe I misunderstood that?

PIP isn't means tested, ESA can be.

So Scottow wasn't even tweeting at Hayden? Scottow had blocked Hayden, but Hayden was still obsessively seeking out Scottows tweets so that Hayden could take offence?

My understanding is that at some point Kate blocked Hayden - I'm not sure of the timeline - but that Hayden still saw the tweets. If I recall correctly, Hayden said that you can still see tweets that get retweeted by other people and that's how they would have seen it. I think Kate's barrister was trying to get Hayden to acknowledge that they knew the were blocked and therefore had, as you say, gone seeking the tweets out, but Hayden was very adamant that that wasn't the case.

Always admired your style, especially in the 90's, iconic (dons shiny PVC trousers and stacked platforms)

Shampoo stole my look!

m.youtube.com/watch?v=QL15Ya5fsgo

I’ve hardly changed at all, just ask @Doobiegetta 😂

Ahahahahaha absolutely perfect 🤣

I think it's perfectly fine to point out SH was incorrect in saying PIP was means tested. Speculating why someone would be awarded PIP and what they may use it for (even if you think they are a complete twat) isn't reasonable, IMO. It also leads to comments (which are on this thread) about good use of taxpayers money etc and talking about benefit scammers, which isn't relevant to the discussion, and is unpleasant for people with disabilities to read.

Perhaps I am taking it too personally as memory issues are a sensitive subject for me, but I think speculation and conjecture about an individual's PIP award (and therefore their disabilities) rather than discussing already stated facts, is going off topic and unnecessary. (I appreciate your post @teawamutu thank you).