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All the best to Kate Scottow in court tomorrow

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BitterAndOnlySlightlyTwisted · 05/02/2020 19:28

@BustedWench: we haven’t forgotten. I have a prior commitment tomorrow but fully intend to be there to support you on Friday,

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happydappy2 · 07/02/2020 21:01

Where is the good Dr in all of this? Have they denounced SH for transphobia for stating one can hold the belief that transwomen are not women?

The double standards are staggering.

All the best Kate, the courts should not be used for sorting out the none crime of referring to people in the correct sex.

Melroses · 07/02/2020 21:15

Where is the good Dr in all of this? Barcelona apaz.

SarahTancredi · 07/02/2020 21:18

thought he was in Starbucks..

AbsintheFriends · 07/02/2020 21:19

The good doctor is probably still on a sugar high after scarfing all those unappetising e-number-laden glittery mermaid cookies.

Melroses · 07/02/2020 21:19

That was yesterday. Today he tweeted about how capitalism failed to provide basic needs for the many, then sleazyjetted off to Barcelona.

Amalfimamma · 07/02/2020 22:29

So when I said a certain someone couldn't practice law because of their criminal past and that certain someone tried to get my comment taken down under defamation laws, that certain someone was trying his hand?

A certain someone should also not wear scruffy gutties (trainers) to court with thick black tights and a blouse 2 sizes too small, as it makes a certain person stick out even more.

ItsLateHumpty · 07/02/2020 22:56

From the DM article:

Addressing the golf club affray, Ms Hayden said: 'I do not care about that conviction. I know what happened that day in 1999. It is long spent. It is just tittle tattle brought up really to smear me.

'That was not known to anybody at all until it was leaked to Mumsnet around the time of these offences.'

Grin

SH on Mumsnet -

Mumsnet Zoological School of Projection and Codswallop

Also

Mumsnet Digging up convictions since 1999

It's seems the problem can be summarised thusly -

"This is the thing. It is called Mumsnet but it seems to me they talk about anything BUT mothering."

KatvonHostileExtremist · 07/02/2020 22:57

I'm shocked at the number of convictions, and court appearances.

The whole thing is a swirling sea of crazy

LangClegsInSpace · 07/02/2020 23:18

I've never experienced a DJ/bench adjourning a verdict in mag's court. Not saying it doesn't happen but I don't think it's commonplace at all.

I thought not Spartacus. Interesting times.

teawamutu · 07/02/2020 23:22

In the Mail, I also don't believe SH was 'flaunting', 'showing off' or 'displaying' any part of SH's body.

Not the normal run of play at all.

wellbehavedwomen · 07/02/2020 23:24

I think this case may be something of a miscalculation on Hayden's part, given the ventilation of all sorts of information one imagines most people would very much prefer remained private. Ah well. Live by the sword, die by the sword.

It is a fairly unedifying squabble... but criminal? When the police haven't been interested in the serious threats made to Harry Miller and his family, Selina Todd, or Rosa Freedman - to name just a few? Pretty sure Maya Forstater has had far, far worse than anything mentioned here. Where's the police action there?

I didn't think it was Mumsnet, though, who uncovered the golfing history, as was claimed today? I thought it was the legal site, Rollonfriday, who also picked up on the Denton's report. They posted this and then this and this about Hayden.

Stephanie Hayden, who is also suing Mumsnet and recently sued a transsexual solicitor, now identifies as a lawyer.

Masterful. Grin

LangClegsInSpace · 07/02/2020 23:44

I never knew that Stephanie Hayden had been before criminal courts on 11 occasions for 21 offences and had spent six months in prison for obtaining property deception.

NotTerfNorCis · 08/02/2020 00:03

It seems incredible that someone who has been before criminal courts on 11 occasions for 21 offences and has spent six months in prison for obtaining property by deception should be dragging a person through the courts for mild name calling on Twitter.

BatShite · 08/02/2020 02:32

On reading these, I do think given the circumstances, with the multis theres a large chance Kate will be found guilty. I expect its not quite as clear cut as maing multis to 'harass' Hayden though, knowing how many GC women are banned for stupid reasons and start up again. Without being overly familiar with this, I would think it was more a case of original account banned for saying sex cannot be changed. Second account where said same stuff, occasionally replied to Hayden. Ban for saying there is no such thing as a pregnant male. Another account where crossed paths with Hayden. I might be wrong though, possible I am biased given I know exactly how it goes for a lot of GC women on twitter!

Honestly its ridiculous that this is even in court to start with

PLUS how dare Hayden class thids as harassment, given Haydens own behaviour towards many many women

Plus how the fuck is the behaviour towards Caroline, which has included repeated threats to turn up to her house IIRC? Or something along those lines..declared not a crime by the police, and not worthy of even slight attention. Yet this utter bollocks is..and results in actual arrests.

If ever the difference between transwomen and women was doubted, check out the stark contrast in how seriously one side is taken when they call the police, basically.

As a side note, this PIP thing is news to me, surely kate would only have known about this if Hayden had mentioned it to start with? Yes it was a childish comment, which she has admitted..and yes, as someone who recieves PIP I would be really mad if someone threw it in my face in an online argument, I have to say, BUT..noone would know this unless I had made it public in the first place? So not sure how this is revealing intimate details, or whatever its said to be?

Hayden admitting they have no idea how many court cases they have going on..but claiming Hayden only uses litigation when its needed is a bit Blush

BatShite · 08/02/2020 02:45

Those roll on friday articles, the last one ends

"I just hope one of Hayden’s targets takes their case to court. It would be brilliant to see Hayden’s character and conduct exposed by a judge".

Hmm. Character, check.

SophocIestheFox · 08/02/2020 06:02

“Leaked to Mumsnet”

But I thought we were all just irrelevant old nutters? That makes us sound like investigative journalists. I quite like it Grin

“I don’t care about that conviction”. I can well imagine Hayden doesn’t but I wonder if the people on the receiving end of the attempted assault and the repeated acts of criminal deception feel quite the same way?

It may well be long spent, but that just means it doesn’t need to be disclosed to an employer or such like. It doesn’t mean it didn’t happen at all and can never be discussed ever again by anybody.

jadefinch · 08/02/2020 07:02

Can anyone do a FOI request to find out what those 21 offences are? I suspect there's been a range of activity going on

Ereshkigalangcleg · 08/02/2020 08:34

What I don't really understand is Kate's on trial for "allegedly using a public communications network to cause annoyance, inconvenience and anxiety" which seems like a low bar for a criminal offence. On that basis the BBC causes me annoyance, inconvenience and anxiety on a daily basis so could I take them to court? There are lots of people online who cause me annoyance, inconvenience and anxiety - surely I can't take them all to court?

Generally speaking, this is how the "hate crime" figures get inflated. Something which would not be pursued without the transgender identity (or several other protected characteristics) "hate" component is then an aggravated "hate crime". Women are just expected to suck it up when we get rape and death threats and awful verbal abuse and harassment from transactivists and MRAs. Despite it coming under these laws.

Al1Langdownthecleghole · 08/02/2020 08:53

Those roll on Friday extracts are pretty damning, wellbehaved.

It would appear that Hayden’s memory condition allows them to forget their own behaviour, whilst remembering other people’s.

There really isn’t any consideration for their victims.

SoldiersinPetticoats · 08/02/2020 09:14

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Lordfrontpaw · 08/02/2020 09:21

How is memory loss a disability? I have a terrible memory because of the way my brain processes information. I just write everything down.

Unless it’s caused by a brain injury or dementia - how is it a disability?

FannyCann · 08/02/2020 09:27

TBH it must be pretty hard keeping up with so many name changes. 🤷‍♀️

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Lordfrontpaw · 08/02/2020 09:35

I was asking a genuine question. My sister has a form on dementia and it took a lot for her to be registered as having a disability (also going blind).

happydappy2 · 08/02/2020 09:43

spartacus normally I'd agree with you, but it does strike me as odd that SH has managed to get disability payments for memory loss, when they are quite able to remember enough to have multiple ongoing court cases....

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