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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Why is RuPaul being becompared to Hitler?

39 replies

Durgasarrow · 25/01/2020 23:10

Over on Reddit's r/outoftheloop, there is much puzzlement over this issue and the comments are very interesting indeed.

www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/etrnps/whats_the_deal_with_people_comparing_rupaul_to/

OP posts:
Haworthia · 25/01/2020 23:15

Carmen Carrera (the transwoman who made the comments) is not the sharpest tool in the shed. It’s really as simple as that Grin

RuPaul has said in the past that drag is for gay men, not women (born women or trans) and certain factions of the LGBTQ community think this makes him the most despicable transphobe imaginable.

MrsDoylesTeaBags · 25/01/2020 23:36

I don't know why a transgender person would enter Drag Race. To me transgender and drag are two completely separate things trans is trying to submerge oneself into identifying as the opposite sex while the other is a dramatised characrerture of what a female representation.

I watched the series when Gia Gunn was transitioning and I thought it was very irresponsible on the producers side as it must be very difficult to transition but also not have a realistic image of what you're transitioning to.

AutumnRose1 · 25/01/2020 23:58

So what does RuPaul think of straight men doing drag, has he said anything?

ACatWhoBinds · 26/01/2020 01:32

@AutumnRose1 I don't know about ru's opinion, but one of the contestants on U.K. drag race was straight.

I think drag is different to gender: you can do drag and be a woman, both drag queen and drag king. Even trans men can be drag queens. One is what you are, one is what you do.

ACatWhoBinds · 26/01/2020 01:34

Saying that, I understand where ru is coming from when he says people with breasts etc are at an advantage but in the age of brilliant prosthetics I don't see that as a big advantage tbh

RJnomore1 · 26/01/2020 01:40

The uk competitor was bi not straight

TheBewildernessisWeetabix · 26/01/2020 01:49

Hitler appears to be the internet benchmark for opinions.
1 not as bad as Hitler
2 worse than Hitler
3 as bad as Hitler
Coming up on the 75th Anniversary of liberating Auschwitz-Birkenau it just makes my skin crawl.
Three generations and Hitler becomes an internet insult.

MoleSmokes · 26/01/2020 03:59

Coming up on the 75th Anniversary of liberating Auschwitz-Birkenau it just makes my skin crawl.
Three generations and Hitler becomes an internet insult.

Yes Angry

There is no love lost between drag and trans.

Drag queens banned from performing at Free Pride Glasgow event over fears acts will offend trans people
The decision has been met with an angry response
21 July 2015

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/drag-queens-banned-from-performing-at-free-pride-glasgow-event-over-fears-acts-will-offend-trans-10405214.html

Quote:

"Michelle Visage, a judge on the hit cult TV show RuPaul's Drag Race and an LGBT ally, urged people to attend Pride Glasgow and Pride Edinburgh instead. However, some questioned her right to comment as a non-trans, or cis gender, woman."

Tweet by Michelle:
twitter.com/michellevisage/status/623159824641986561

michelle visage @/michellevisage Jul 20, 2015
THE FIGHT FOR EQUALITY AND LOVE AMONGST THE COMMUNITY NEVER KNEW ANY RACE/COLOR/GENDER. WHY NOW, SCOTLAND? this picking and choosing? NO!

A couple of replies to Michelle:

JPG @/JPGSheedy Jul 20, 2015
@/michellevisage These people don't want Equality, they want to scrub out the gay rights movement and make it ALL about them!

Maisydot @/Maisydot Apr 7, 2018
Replying to @/michellevisage
So Women should let men dressed as Women who know nothing about being a Woman into their safe sex spaces, but those very same men are offended by men dressed as Women? Please tell me this is an ironic joke? No Joke! Thon's mental as we say in Glasgow!

---

Indeedeedoodee!

MrsDoylesTeaBags · 26/01/2020 07:21

Indeed Bewilderness it seems that memories are short.

This woke faction (because I don't think everyone of a certain age is so ridiculous) demand to be protected from everything that may cause them to think, but at the same time hurl such deeply hurtful insults, threats and lies.

Tinkerbell456 · 26/01/2020 07:30

Ru Paul = Hitler? Bloody Hell! A harmless, more than usually successful, mildly witty drag queen is the same as a mass murdering, genocidal maniac? In fact, Ru would have found himself on the wrong side of Hitler very severely, very quickly.

Dontforgetyourbrolly · 26/01/2020 07:30

Hitler killed millions of people , Ru Paul wears frocks. Whoever said this needs to get a grip

Dontforgetyourbrolly · 26/01/2020 07:31

Cross post Tinkerbell ! X

Tinkerbell456 · 26/01/2020 07:34

Mind you, Brolly, some of Russia’s frocks OUGHT to be a crime!

Tinkerbell456 · 26/01/2020 07:47

That would be Ru., not Russia of course!

NotBadConsidering · 26/01/2020 07:53

I think Ru Paul is a vegetarian, maybe that’s it.

Dontforgetyourbrolly · 26/01/2020 08:08

Haha Tinkerbell! I'm a fan ....Have u watched Aj and the queen on Netflix? He says on there that drag is a job / a performance and that he likes being a man and does not want to be a woman.
It's very clear , where as transsexuals want to be a woman ( in this case). It seems very self explanatory..... like acting. Am actor might want to act a particular role , but not to actually become that person.

GeraldineFangedVagine · 26/01/2020 08:14

Maybe it’s because, although in my opinion, deeply misogynistic, gay men who do drag get to have their cake and eat it. They can dress up as women and then take it all off and still get to be gay men. It’s acceptable. They also look ‘good’ dressed as them sometimes. They don’t need to worry about passing as they know it’s outlandish and the audience know they are gay men.

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 26/01/2020 08:42

I think Ru is right

A Drag queen competition should not include women or transwomen

A drag king Competition should not include men and transmen

Tinkerbell456 · 26/01/2020 09:11

Hey Brolly. Bit like Eddy Izard- not gay, but occasionally likes to wear a frock. Clashes with the beard, in my opinion, but what do I know? Everyone is a fashion critic!😀

Mockers2020Vision · 26/01/2020 09:15

Both fond of high boots.

But only one of them has two balls.

NotBadConsidering · 26/01/2020 09:23

Mockers

🤣🤣

Aesopfable · 26/01/2020 09:30

Back to the ridiculous statement that wrong opions are 'literally killing millions of trans people'

Dontforgetyourbrolly · 26/01/2020 09:41

Geraldine really? Does Olivia Colman get to have her cake and eat it because she plays the Queen, but doesn't have to put up with Prince Andrew in real life Grin

EmpressLangClegInChair · 26/01/2020 09:44

Bit like Eddy Izard- not gay, but occasionally likes to wear a frock.

Except last time I looked, Izzard had decided that his tastes in clothes, shoes & makeup were evidence of ‘girl genes’. Hmm

HorseWithNoLangCleg · 26/01/2020 09:58

I'm going to stick my neck out here and say that even Hitler, as bad as he was, never said he was a woman on Tuesdays and was to be called "Pips" but Addy the rest of the week.

Amirite? Any historians out there?