Lang Cleg 3

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Can you codify belief into law? Will you mandate that people can transition from one sex to the other and must be treated accordingly? That children who fail to conform to sex role stereotypes are to be taught they were born in the wrong body & will be treated with drugs and surgery? How will you punish the non believers? The heretics
This is the 1000 post by the Bewildernessis Weetabix on Lang Cleg 2
I'm sure that this needs to be repeated

I'm sure it does ButterisbestLangClegisbetter
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I feel like there's probably a dartboard at MNHQ with Lang's name on it at this point.

I've been away a while. I take it LangCleg has been banned for speaking some basic truth.

What an enraging, timewasting shitshow for women this all is. A narcissist's dream supply.

2 + 2 = 4 not 5

Bewilderness post without naming which law of misogyny?

I’m going to have to read the restvof the thread, aren’t I. Currently on page 28!

Lang may yer lum reek, as LangCleg probably never said in her life....

You're probably right kittens
I'm on the side that Lang's outspoken attitude was not well received but I'm also old enough to go back to the mantra, sticks and stones may break my bones but words will never hurt me. Words can hurt, but I feel it's gone a bit too far when people feel attacked by the written word.

Langcleg = That bloody woman!
Long live the langsta legend.

Spartabix
Are you an Aberdonian?

I kind of feel like a certain degree of criticism is implied in the job description if you sign up to moderate a forum. As is being able to distinguish between criticism of how well you're doing your job and personal abuse.

It's a fair point that Justine made that the moderators shouldn't be subjected to abusive messages and it's also right that she must protect her staff.
53 reports by users, 51 by regular users with a recognised posting history. I was really surprised by that figure,

I’d like to see what the reports were for. I used to post regularly in 2018 but once the strikes came in and threads I was on would disappear I got fed up. I got deleted repeatedly and it got annoying.

Of course she got lots of reports she was a prolific poster. I’d like to know the report/post ratio as I bet mine is worse.

53 reports must be a tiny percentage of her overall posts.

I feel like there's probably a dartboard at MNHQ with Lang's name on it at this point.

I laughed out loud at this.

And now I am wondering what an alter in honour of LangCleg look like.

Yup, I’m still laughing! 😂😂😂

I swear I typed altar!

I'll bet it would have soggy Weetabix on it.

We got a lot of deletions without strikes when they first wrote the special FWR guidelines on transgender people's rights.
There were words and acronyms we had used for years that were suddenly banning offenses. I would imagine that most of Lang's deleted posts were along those lines. Dozens of mine were. I am still getting strikes for using the legal term for trans person. It is hard to remember to walk on eggshells here.

I kind of feel like a certain degree of criticism is implied in the job description if you sign up to moderate a forum. As is being able to distinguish between criticism of how well you're doing your job and personal abuse.

You'd think so, wouldn't you... Jeeze I get shedloads of proper abuse in my job (supporting abused women) and I'm able to distinguish between the personal and the professional. MN mod team are acting like snowflakes in all this - like their feelz are more important that the safety of children. Nothing is more important than the safety of children. I don't really care if I'm booted off for saying that. I joined Spinster today.

I miss Lang being here. Her posts are always so spot on

like their feelz are more important that the safety of children. Nothing is more important than the safety of children.

Mumsnet is a business, so I guess we can't expect them to be more concerned with the safety of anyone outside of the company than protecting their staff from bruised feelings.
I have had awful experiences working for employers who didn't give a fuck about their worker's feelings or how the customers or our (usually male) superiors treated us, so I get that.
But frankly, having male moderators in charge of who gets deleted, and making posts I have found insulting, gives me a feeling of deja vous all over again.
And being a business, you'd think Mumsnet would bear in mind who attracts those essential to business clicks, and also bear in mind that those cash cows also have very bruisable feelings.

We want LangCleg back. She is one of the ones who drew so many posters and lurkers here in the first place. Posters like her gave this forum the reputation that reached the far corners of the internet, to people who'd never heard of it. Just because we're not on the Mumsnet payroll, or paying advertisers, doesn't mean our feelz should come last. Or does it?

We are not the MN customer. We are the product on offer.

We are the product on offer and what we have to say is the USP - and the MSM harvest this board for info on what women are saying.

We are mostly raging about the silencing of Lang for spurious reasons - a safeguarding specialist who was gagged simply for repeatedly pointing out the deception and manipulative behaviours of those for whom the safety and well-being of children is an anathema.

Which is what has happened to a social worker on twitter betty. You couldn't make it up.

So lovely to se you Bewilderness!

Is it time for a "how many hits is FWR getting" request?!

Fit like @ButterisbestLangClegisbetter?

We are not the MN customer. We are the product on offer.

Yes! And I’ve said it several times now, but I am struggling to understand why, as the product, the advertisers want us to act a certain way if we want them to advertise to us, as opposed to looking at how we are and changing the way they advertise to suit that. I really want someone to explain it to me. We are being told that advertisers are saying “if that multi-million user market you have doesn’t behave, we won’t try and capture that market for our products and take our products and money elsewhere”.

Someone please explain what I’m missing?

More on MN marketing in this press release I found from 2 days ago, with a few stats.

www.realwire.com/releases/Mumsnet-increases-personalisation-for-users-with-Kameleoon

Very interesting. Can you imagine a meeting of an ad company that uses Mumsnet to sell products?

“Ok everyone, Mumsnet has 10 million unique visitors and with the use of Kameleoon we can tailor ads to all those users and potentially make our customers lots of money by selling their products, but they’re all a bit t*rf-y over there so we’ve decided to pull out in case we upset some people on Twitter”.

It regularly campaigns on issues including support for families of children with special educational needs, improvements in postnatal and miscarriage care, and freedom of speech on the internet.

Or rather the illusion of freedom of speech. Clearly not the reality, as events of the last week have reinforced.

Like Bewilderness says, we're the product, not the customer. As long as the actual customer can be convinced that MN campaigns for freedom of speech who cares if the users feel silenced?