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Can you codify belief into law? Will you mandate that people can transition from one sex to the other and must be treated accordingly? That children who fail to conform to sex role stereotypes are to be taught they were born in the wrong body & will be treated with drugs and surgery? How will you punish the non believers? The heretics
This is the 1000 post by the Bewildernessis Weetabix on Lang Cleg 2
I'm sure that this needs to be repeated

Re: the screenshot of the alleged soar in the Flora shareprice, is Pink News identifying as the Pink Sheet ( Financial Times )?

Wow, Donkey. Eye-opening post, thank you for putting it so clearly.

Another former intern, Hannah Woodhead, wrote an online article entitled ‘Has Mumsnet become a hotbed of online transphobia’. Her argument was a very one-sided yes and cherry picked quotes as evidence.

Not just an intern role.

February 2016 ResponseSource bulletin:
"Mumsnet has appointed Hannah Woodhead as production assistant. Woodhead will cover parenting news, product reviews, family events and women’s issues. She has been working as an intern at the website since last August."

www.responsesource.com/bulletin/news/hannah-woodhead-caught-in-the-mumsnet-2/

27 October 2017 left Mumsnet
www.responsesource.com/bulletin/news/lies-beyond-woodhead-mumsnets-editorial-assistant-leave/

30 April 2018 Huckmag article:

'Has Mumsnet become a hub of online transphobia?
From Where I Stand'
(extract)

"Parenting site Mumsnet, founded as a place of support, has become abundant with threads about trans people’s rights - as if they are up for debate. The website, says former employee Hannah Woodhead, has a responsibility to step in and call this what it is: transphobia. (continues)

It makes sense, then, that a community built on the notion “it takes a village to raise a child” would be dedicated to supporting women. At least, it was, before it became a home to something darker – a space in which transphobia has found a virtual home.

Now, full disclosure, I used to work for Mumsnet. I believed in the site when I began working there in 2015 as a fresh-faced, idealistic intern. But by the time I left the company I felt let down. Beyond the purple and blue homepage, Mumsnet has a dedicated ‘Women’s Rights/Feminism chat’ forum. Back in 2010, when this thread began, the majority of topics raised were about just that: asking how to explain feminism to young sons, debating the idea of women-positive porn, or looking for feminist book recommendations." (continues)

The anti-trans community on Mumsnet is something of an open secret. It has been present for years, and it appears that there has, for a while, been a lax approach to tackling this particular form of hate speech.

Back in 2014, Mumsnet clarified their position on moderating transphobic posts, saying “transphobia is not welcome on Mumsnet”, while also stating “it seems to us that folk might very reasonably ask questions around transgenderism that are purely in the spirit of enquiry and in no way intended to give offence but which might, under specific guidelines on wording, be construed as transphobic.” (continues)
www.huckmag.com/perspectives/opinion-perspectives/mumsnet-transphobia-online/

Most people deal with the pain that trans activists inflict by consciously or subconsciously making their targets into 'the problem'. So to CAMH, Zucker - rather than the TAs and their sadistic and dishonest tactics - became the problem that needed to be dealt with. Venues see that TAs will bombard them with threats of violence and harass their staff if they host women's meetings - and they decide that the women are the problem.

Same here. TAs target Mumsnet relentlessly because women come here to discuss the impact of gender identity on women and children - and therefore we are the reason TAs are causing them so much pain.

I don't know what to do about this. The only way to counter this is to recognise these tactics for what they are: the modus operandi of abusers - and to refuse to to grant them legitimacy, but few seem prepared to do this

DonkeySkin thank you for articulating the dynamics of abuse so clearly.
The pain experienced by women motivated to protect Safeguarding & Women's Rights who post here whilst accusations of transphobia, dishonest intentions, nastiness etc stand goes largely unacknowledged.
Those who recognise the actual dynamics of abuse are usually those who have seen or experienced the effects first hand.

Great post DonkeySkin. Their skill is harassing and abusing others, MN and everyone else needs to keep their eyes open and not give in to it.

I know I'm a bit late, but wanted to add my support to Lang. I'm very disappointed that she was banned.

Thank you @DonkeySkin, such an insightful post.

That is really clearly written donkey skin. Really helpful to understand what is going on.

What this boils down to is does Justine have large enough ovaries to admit she has made a mistake and overturn Lang's ban.

Now just waiting for my post to be deleted!

Well it’s not always about admitting you made a mistake. Sometimes you need to reconsider a decision because new information has become available.

Everyone is keeping up the pretence that this is a 'civil rights movement', seemingly without realising that no genuine civil rights movement has ever operated like this, nor would it need to.

Beautifully put Donkey

Everyone is keeping up the pretence that this is a 'civil rights movement', seemingly without realising that no genuine civil rights movement has ever operated like this, nor would it need to.

Yes, beautifully put, and so mysterious that they are still keeping their sacred caste status when it’s one thing after another, Selina Todd being a recent example. Why is Mumsnet pandering to people like this at the expense of people like Lang Cleg? Do they really think they would have had such a problem with her without the special rules made to keep the TRAs at bay?

I've been away from MN for a little while, and am absolutely shocked to read the news about Lang Cleg. She was consistently articulate, logical, and unabashedly protective of women. I never found her rude or offensive.

MN, how could you? Shameful. Truly wrong for so many reasons.

I’ve been away from mumsnet for a bit and only seen that this happened yesterday. I’ve read through the other threads and I’m shocked but not surprised. Shocked because Lang was always so careful but still getting her point across, not surprised because well, I expect it more and more now. Dropping like flies really.

Great post donkey
Still hoping for reinstatement of lang who is sorely missed

I posted this a few days ago on the signatures for Lang thread:

non-UPDATE

I asked for any update since my last comms with MNHQ and they've said:

"...there's no decision to reinstate LangCleg as yet."

She was consistently articulate, logical, and unabashedly protective of women.

LangCleg will always be these things. She couldnt not be even if she tried, which she won't.

Id hazard a confident guess that when she has been 'felt' to be problematically assertive, she will have had her elbows out in solidarity or to try to make space for other women, especially those who are currently in more vulnerable circumstances or standing firm to protect what should have been important Safeguards.

Missed all this, loads of threads going to see if I can understand what has happened

Thanks GirlDownUnder

@MNHQ was going to discuss this on Monday. I fully expected to see Lang back on the boards by now. What is going on?

If you are in any doubt that MN needs Lang and her safeguarding expertise, watch the video linked on this thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3810003-Posie-talks-to-Safe-Schools-Alliance

Lang is one of the clearest and best informed voices on child safeguarding. Seriously, put this disagreement to one side.

Lang is one of the clearest and best informed voices on child safeguarding. Seriously, put this disagreement to one side.

This bears repeating.

In Lang's absence, do please watch this interview.

Tracy Shaw from Safe Schools Alliance explains very clearly in this interview what the serious Safeguarding issues are & how they are affecting every school.
Tracy also makes clear that to re-establish Safeguarding requires parents & carers to find out what is happening at their children's school & to start speaking up now.
SSA have many excellent resources to help & also need support in their case against Oxfordshire County Council which if successful will lead to all Local Authorities having to change policies.
"we are taking action because we believe the Oxfordshire Trans Inclusion Toolkit recommended to schools and educational settings is unlawful and damaging to children."
safeschoolsallianceuk.net/

www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNNYRUNeIjk&feature=youtu.be

That's the one, R0wantrees.

Oxfordshire CC's Trans Inclusion Toolkit: A 'smorgasbord of illegality', according to SSA's legal advisors.

People who have been following LangCleg on FWR & listen to what Tracy Shaw (Safe Schools Alliance) says in the interview will immediately recognise they are describing the same things.
This is not a coincidence.
Anyone speaking clearly with an understanding of Safeguarding so motivated to protect all children & vulnerable adults from harm will, when able to speak freely, say the same things.
What is serious cause for concern (aka red flag) is when people speaking clearly about risks to Safeguarding are silenced.

Just saw this thread in AIBU and thought of Lang:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3810353-kids-sports-coach-advertising-as-prostitute-and-ex-porn-star-under-same-name?msgid=93567810