Lisa Nandy: Trans women are women

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And when a Conservative MP says women's spaces such as prisons and refuges need to be protected from some men who say they are women, she replies 'not what he says'.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0008jqx?fbclid=IwAR2hx7vFoCI7arspHgCsmu7DdiF9qSDpTezzFSgbYKR8S-9zKejfbOYyJQQ

The question starts at 42 minutes and 48 seconds

I meant, different story in terms of me blabbing my mouth on t’internet!

I totally agree re: lack of trust in politicians.
The two deputy contest people I refer to seem to be in the foothills of the peaks, rather than absolute and not having the courage to say it.

Ah sorry DuLANG!

Have to say, after pondering, has Nandy stated TWAW since running for leader?

I'm just wondering if it's an area she will avoid hammering her colours to the mast for.

I very much hope her team are reading this board and have their "listening ears on."

From the Open Labour hustings:
www.indy100.com/article/lisa-nandy-labour-leadership-trans-lgbt-jess-phillips-9303731
Well I think that's unequivocal. Oh dear.

Oh dear.

She doesn't acknowledge trans men.

Very few people do in this whole thing, it’s all about a small number of very vocal TW (as far as I’m aware, not all TW are ‘for’ self-ID).

There doesn’t seem to be much of a TMAM movement at all, does there?

Nandy stated:

The Gender Recognition Act, in the experience that she's had and I've had is stigmatising, it's far far too long, and it leaves people without support at the moment that they most need it.

Oh dear. Oh dear. Oh dear.

Why can't politicians first try to inform themselves about a law before pronouncing it as a failure?

The GRA was not intended and has not been designed to support anyone who identifies as trans during their transition. That's not its purpose. It was designed to protect those who had fully transitioned from having to out themselves and to allow them to marry a same-sex partner.

Reforming the GRA to bring in self-id will not support anyone while they transition either. As Stonewall et al keep telling us, that is merely an inconsequential admin change.

*The GRA was not intended and has not been designed to support anyone who identifies as trans during their transition. That's not its purpose. It was designed to protect those who had fully transitioned from having to out themselves and to allow them to marry a same-sex partner.

And despite what the Scottish and UK governments are telling us about 'international best practice', according to a recent ruling in the European Court of Human Rights the GRA in its present form aligns with international best practice. A self-ID process would not.

The court ruled that a diagnosis of gender dysphoria should be required before allowing a change of legally recognised sex. It also ruled that no surgery should be required - which is already the case under the current GRA. It did not rule in favour of self-ID with no gatekeeping, which is what the Scottish Government is currently proposing in its draft legislation.

Reforming the GRA to bring in self-id will not support anyone while they transition either. As Stonewall et al keep telling us, that is merely an inconsequential admin change.

Simultaneously a minor bit of admin and a law which is of enormous importance to transgender people. It can't be both.

@Rubidium what on earth was that article, it was like reading a student newspaper!

I'm really disappointed in Lisa Nandy on this, I respect not everyone agrees with the GC viewpoint on this issue but her line seems to be really one sided with seemingly no thought for why people may have concerns.

Are there any mainstream political parties that are opposed to self-ID at the moment? I know of only one but they don’t put up many candidates.

The stories are swiftly rowing back TheReal although they did create it in the first place.

Wine Ha! I think you do student journalism a disservice, as students often at least make an attempt at balance...

stories = Tories

The message last time round was full of notions of countering the false consciousness of the oppressed peasants who were wrong to blame migrants for the queues at the doctors, wrong to support Brexit, wrong to want to lock more people up for longer, etc.

Indeed. The current Labour leadership gives the impression that it views the working class with contempt. I'm sure someone will be right along to tell me that they're correct about the working class having the wrong views, but the thing is that Labour cannot win a general election without the voters that they're currently addressing with blatant contempt and open hostility (while claiming to represent them). So either they figure out how to stop coming across that way or they become a permanent opposition party.