Lisa Nandy: Trans women are women

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And when a Conservative MP says women's spaces such as prisons and refuges need to be protected from some men who say they are women, she replies 'not what he says'.

www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m0008jqx?fbclid=IwAR2hx7vFoCI7arspHgCsmu7DdiF9qSDpTezzFSgbYKR8S-9zKejfbOYyJQQ

The question starts at 42 minutes and 48 seconds

Pink News. I'm terribly sorry

I’m younger than Lisa Nandy and I and my friends understand it fully.

Stephen Whittle & Benjamin Cohen are very effective & influential lobbyists.

Whittle was certainly highly effective and influential on MN in teaching MNetters that a vote for Labour was a vote for the oppression and erasure of female humans, and many then voted accordingly. I was one of them.

I'm due to vote in the Leadership election. It's grim

Also due to vote in the leadership election and she just lost my vote.

I don't think that any of them actually believe that trans women are women.

Not. For. A. Single. Fucking. Second.

Good for her!

I think you are right about that @CallofDoodee .

Paul Embery (Blue Labour, former FUBU, used his last question on Triggernometry to talk about maintaining women’s rights against trans ideology...):

unherd.com/thepost/why-i-am-reluctantly-backing-lisa-nandy

(Starts from 1:01 ish)

And there's the 'don't care about women's rights and never will' (Keir Starmer'.

How does Keir Starmer not care about women's rights?

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I know what he said about trans people being a very vulnerable group that needs better legislation, but he is running to be leader, and he needs the members to vote for him. He was never going to say 'transwomen are men'. I don't think that means he doesn't care about women's rights.

Who are people voting for as Deputy?

Was keen on Rosena until she started on at Lucy Masoud. Calling a firefighter transphobic for wanting penis free changing rooms is a bit shit really.

They say TWAW, but they are just parroting the legal transgender characteristic, you know the one that needs a GRC.

What everyone else is saying is that biological sex exists. It is a protected characteristic and cannot be changed.

So are TW women?
The answer is simply no.

Paul Embery (Blue Labour, former FUBU, used his last question on Triggernometry to talk about maintaining women’s rights against trans ideology...):

He articulated it really well I thought.

The Labour Party have allowed the Conservative Party to be seen as the 'everyman/everywoman' party with this kind of idiocy. I dispair of the Labour Party. How have things come to this? It is make or break now, and I don't think they have it in them to step up.

About the question on Any Questions from Diane Jones:

www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/wales/entries/075ae485-a8d9-46d2-a746-f930e51ea4ca

I heard it at the time and ifrc the questioner was a transwoman, which I guess must make it much harder to say to their face that TWArent W, even if they believe it, and could also explain the audience’s muted response to DD

Thanks for that link nauticant. I didn't realise Diane Jones was the mother of the child featured in that programme, which I remember seeing. Diane Jones is clearly a Susie Green type 'true believer', for much the same reasons as Green.

Knowing who she is makes the responses by the panel much more understandable, as well as the audience response to DD. It's so much harder to speak up against an ideology which has had such a profound effect on children without it looking as though it is the children who you are attacking.

How do you tell the difference between a trans woman and a cross dresser and how dangerous they might be?
soapboxie.com/government/Joseph-Pikul-Diane

I'm not 100% sure it's the same Diane Jones but it fits just so.

These days I've picked up an almost unconscious habit that when I find a TRA name that's new to me I'll google, and I'm no longer surprised how often and how instantly I find the person on the Internet. For TRAs with a public profile the pool is very small.

The Labour Party have allowed the Conservative Party to be seen as the 'everyman/everywoman' party with this kind of idiocy.

Yes, this appears to be the case.

I was watching an interview with Matthew Goodwin following the election and he was talking about how it is far easier for the tories to move ‘left’ on economic policy than it is for the Labour to move to a more socially conservative position and how difficult this is going to be for them. He said that a Conservative voter in Surrey has a lot more in common with a new Conservative voter in Stockton in terms of social attitudes than a Labour voter in Hartlepool has with a Labour voter in Cambridge. Finding policy positions that appeal to both is going to be a massive challenge for Labour.

Paul Embery talks a hell of a lot of sense, and I agree with him on so many things. I can’t see his views being remotely popular with the current Labour activists.

I was watching an interview with Matthew Goodwin following the election and he was talking about how it is far easier for the tories to move ‘left’ on economic policy than it is for the Labour to move to a more socially conservative position and how difficult this is going to be for them.

I'd recommend that anyone interested watch this:

It's an hour of "Wow!" But if you've not got time, the first 10 minutes or so are hugely informative.

nauticant yes, that was the one. He also did a really fantastic interview with Santander during the election campaign, discussing the collapse in ‘party loyalty’ across Europe over recent decades.

I really liked that episode. He knows his shit.

Graduate/Non-Graduate is the new political fault line, and a Labour Party increasingly colonised by middle-class graduates is going to find it ever more difficult to communicate with non-graduates.

The message last time round was full of notions of countering the false consciousness of the oppressed peasants who were wrong to blame migrants for the queues at the doctors, wrong to support Brexit, wrong to want to lock more people up for longer, etc.

I really liked that episode. He knows his shit.

He really does. I follow him on Twitter and he posted a couple of days ago about doing a seminar for politics students. A political ‘activist’ (don’t know whether they are an academic or journalist) replied with ‘no one is interested in what you have to say’ or something similar.

It sums up the problem nicely.