Lang Cleg 2

[TiredofthisBSbutIstandwithLang]

New thread as we got to 1000.

Yes those are the only solid bits of footing I could find as well

Glad I'm not the only one! I agree it would be easier to discuss if there were more ground to the opposing position.

I've also invited any proponents of gender who want to genuinely and with good will communicate to PM me, and have committed to active and careful listening.

I'm not a proponent of gender though. I just simply disagree with people who are trans gender being vilified.

don't seem to know or care that we see you

I assume that on this board, when pro-gender activists post, it's often it's just an effort in distraction, and people like me, easily distracted and socialised to consider that maybe it's not ? comply, unless I'm 'rudely' reminded to grey rock.

I'm going back to grey rock now, because I've expended my alloted share of female socialised politeness, and honestly, it wasn't all that much to start with (and I haven't had brekkie yet).

I'm not a proponent of gender though. I just simply disagree with people who are trans gender being vilified

Same

I just simply disagree with people who are trans gender being vilified

OK. I live with trans id people (my kids) and don't engage in villification on the basis of a GD diagnosis, so I don't think you and I need to continue to discuss it.

I appreciate Justine commenting on the thread. I never saw anything untoward from Lang in thread, but I’m not privy to mod comms. I find it very hard to believe she emailed anything awful, as has been implied - this is subjective though.

LC may or may not “publish and be damned” elsewhere; that’s her call.

I noticed when India Willoughby (I think it was them) was on This Morning they said ‘I am woman and it’s because I have been diagnosed with Gender Dysphoria’. As if Gender Dysphoria means anything more than just “you feel discomfort and dislike of your sexed body”. They’d taken the words to mean something metaphysical as opposed to being a simple description of their feelings with no comment on the relation those feelings have to reality.

Also agree with being against trans people being vilified.

No place for it in this day and age.

See , Jane's you said a couple of posts back that you didn't want to respond to me anymore and so I respected that and didn't respond to things that you said to me. Yet now, you've quoted me again. So, you've said you aren't going to engage with me but then post about me.

That's not posting in good faith is it?

No indeed. Nobody has been vilified here though

People who are transgender being vilified or transgender people (plural) being vilified? Because the two aren’t the same. Individual trans people might be vilified it their actions deserve it - like Karen White and Yaniv as obvious examples - but there is no generalised vilification of trans people and and there is it’s rightly reported and removed.

10th rule of misogyny: The worst thing about male violence is that it makes men look bad.

Nobody has been vilified here though

Not on this thread, no.

People who are transgender being vilified or transgender people (plural) being vilified?

Transgender people in general.

Oh look, and now it's The Book of Roolz wheeled out.
There's always a "rule" or a name to deflect away what's happening, whether it be crying DARVO when called out or whatever.

Transpeople (people with a gender dysphoria diagnosis, who have had persistent and intractable distress despite mental health treatment, and who make a full time commitment as adults to live as if they were the other sex) should not be vilified on the basis of their treatment for gender dysphoria, nor on the basis of how they label that - either as transexual or transgender.

However, any transperson (transexual or not) is as reliant on respect being garnered by their own behavior as any non transperson.

If a transperson behaves poorly, criminally, abusively, or threatens women, girls, or the rights thereof, they can and must be callled out on their behaviour.

Where their behaviour intersects with child and vulnerable person safeguarding, that's a duty.

I just simply disagree with people who are trans gender being vilified

Good. I think that's something that we can all agree on.

but there is no generalised vilification of trans people and and there is it’s rightly reported and removed.

Well, quite. Those posts are deleted.

ruby2020

There’s still a few pages to go yet, you’re a bit early.

Transgender people in general

Where?

Ok well we’ve all agreed on something.

That's not posting in good faith is it

Apologies, that wasn't deliberate. Sometimes posts and answers get muddled in the time line.

Oh look, and now it's The Book of Roolz wheeled out.
There's always a "rule" or a name to deflect away what's happening, whether it be crying DARVO when called out or whatever.

Yep. Watch out for people coming along shortly to deny it though.

I don’t believe in vilifying trans people either. Any vilification, like any abuse, should be reported to mods for deletion.

Some trans / c*s people seem to regard the recognition of sex though (in the few situations where it matters) as vilification though. It is not.

Pointing out the enormous, glaring holes in an ideology isn't vilifying any particular person/persons. Discussing how such an ideology affects females, on the feminism and women's rights board, isn't an act of aggression. Asking supporters to explain said glaring holes, and questioning the inconsistencies in responses, isn't harassment.

It’s just the same trite nonsense isn’t it?

“You’re all transphobic!”

“I see vilification of trans people here and it’s deleted, ergo it proves everyone here is transphobic and wants to vilify trans people!”

“People can’t disagree with you because everyone is mean!”

Don’t people get tired of it?

It’s just the same trite nonsense isn’t it?

“You’re all transphobic!”

“I see vilification of trans people here and it’s deleted, ergo it proves everyone here is transphobic and wants to vilify trans people!”

“People can’t disagree with you because everyone is mean!”

Don’t people get tired of it?