Q - what is it exactly,

[WelshMoth]

Can someone please explain what the Q is in LGBTQ?

Thanks.

Would Demisexual+ be Demi More?

lol, mockers..

@Arthritica pansexual means you find someone attractive regardless of sex/gender - that's not part of the attraction - whereas bisexual would be two of them, traditionally men and women though I know some people who call themselves bisexual and are attracted to women or men and enby or agender people. Don't worry - paedophillia and bestiality aren't included, I wouldn't agree with child abuse or animal cruelty!

Hey Nonny, thank you for that link, that's a really interesting analysis of Butler. I like the way Nussbaum calls Butler's audience ^bullied readers! Both Murray and Nussbaum draw a similar conclusion that the impenetrability of Butler's text is cover for the incoherence of her analysis. Why is she so influential?

Fiestar

Do you happen to know if the people you have mentioned above describe themselves as GNC?

Or is it OK ascribe GNC to a person?

Cat I appreciate the reply but I guess I'm too old for this stuff, I still don't really get it.

I think everyone is either a man or a woman (once an adult) - that's a biological descriptor, where as enby and agender are identities. Man/woman is what you are, not who you are (like your age, height, etc, it's just a description of your physical being). So a bi person would be attracted to male/men and females/women and so would pansexuals, wouldn't they? Or do you feel that bisexual people wouldn't be attracted to someone identifying as enby?

I'm sorry if I seem obtuse, I'm honestly not trying to be.
I don't really understand how sexuality and identity got conflated (enby isn't a sexuality as I understand it?)

House - Isn't GNC just a descriptive phrase? Like "Boy George is gender non-conforming while Bruce Springsteen conforms to many masculine stereotypes."

The Q stands for 'Queer'. Most people who describe themselves as queer, as opposed to gay or lesbian, are just straight people who want to be edgy.

There used to be that term "bi-curious", didn't there? I think that describes the two women I'm talking about here. One of them I've known a long time and she's never been in a relationship with a woman, she's just theoretically open to the idea.

Before I had a relationship with a man I knew I found men attractive. I've not had a relationship with a woman but I know, in the same way I did about men, that I find women attractive. I've found both attractive since I started noticing that sort of thing.

Does anyone insist that straight people can't be straight if they've not had sex yet? Or is it just Bi people who have to prove themselves in that way?

@GrolliffetheDragon I know, it's so stupid. You know who you're attracted to! It's not that hard 😂

Grol I know! One of mine was proclaiming he was the only bi person in the family (in a ridiculously "only gay in the village" way, the daft sod). I raised and eyebrow and said "No, you really aren't love." His face was hilarious

I can remember the backlash that Brett Anderson got nearly 30 years ago for coming out with the fatuous "I'm a bisexual man who has never had a homosexual experience" line. He was, quite rightly, attacked for the sexual equivalent of cultural appropriation.

Seems that's ok now, though. Qs all round.

@Xanthangum Are you saying you agree that one has to have had a relationship with the same sex then to be considered bisexual? Or is it just a comment on Brett - he was very OTT, in many ways the 90s Morrissey

@Xanthangum well I am a bisexual woman who has never had a lesbian experience (well there was a sort of date, but it didn't go anywhere). I know who I am and I know who I'm sexually attracted to. I also know I'm fed up of people telling me whether I can be bi or not...

I'm not queer though, can't get past the way it was used when I was in school alongside other terms of abuse like fag, lezzie and so on.