Jess Phillips throws GC women under the bus

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www.pinknews.co.uk/2020/01/17/jess-phillips-labour-leadership-transgender-rights-juno-dawson-pinknews-interview/

Yes there are some brilliant questions about important issues

Agreed Michelle.
Jess Phillips was terrible. As suspected, she doesn't even understand what the "awful" spousal exit clause means, and she sat on that sodding committee. Woeful.

"I couldn't understand how asking someone to live in a role as one sex or another would actually happen. It seemed bound entirely in 1950s perceptions of men and women. I think it needs reforming."
Duh. The whole fucking ideology is based on 1950s-style ideas about gender and sexuality.

Woeful indeed. Across the board, not just on women's rights.

What has she got other than bluster? Cos I'm not seeing it.

i see loads of people on twitter banging on about what she has done for women and girls and yet apparently she believes biological men can also be women......

She doesn't believe in freedom of speech, the cognitive dissonance is off the charts on the trans issue and she didn't address Lang and needmore question on the shifting political landscape. Dire.

Duh. The whole fucking ideology is based on 1950s-style ideas about gender and sexuality

It really is incredible that another alleged lifelong feminists has failed to notice this

I thought the most illuminating bit was where she said self ID hadn't come up when she was canvassing. To me that says she thinks it's safer to alienate Mumsnet than it is Pink News.
And while I don't expect the other candidates to be any better, it's doubly grim when it comes from a self-styled plain speaking champion of women.

The whole fucking ideology is based on 1950s-style ideas about gender and sexuality.

How can people get as far as seeing the problem with stereotypes, and yet not make the next step to see that the transgender ideology just reinforces these stereotypes?

If there's no way for a man to live as a woman without reinforcing 1950s stereotypes, then what is transitioning all about?

To me that says she thinks it's safer to alienate Mumsnet than it is Pink News

Yes. Nail on head.

And while I don't expect the other candidates to be any better, it's doubly grim when it comes from a self-styled plain speaking champion of women

I think she's very calculating and contrived. She avoided difficult questions and I thought her answer to the question on freedom of speech and no platforming where she started wittering about the BNP was utterly dire.

The gaps in logic are pretty depressing.

(Just copying across what I said in the other thread.)

Absolutely hopeless. And not just on gender issues but across the board. Hopeless. Bluster bluster bluster and no substance whatsoever.

Is anybody in the Labour Party thinking about the actual electorate at all?

I've just read all her answers through again. Any questioner with actual, granular detail on the issue they asked about will have been left unsatisfied. There was no policy substance in any of her answers. Embarrassing.

No vision for the country either. No joined up thoughts communicating her overall theme. I think I'm in shock that this is an actual leadership candidate for one of our main political parties.

I think I'm in shock that this is an actual leadership candidate for one of our main political parties

Well said Lang It's a frickin insult to voters.

Paste all her answers into one document. Read them together. Tell me what her vision for the country is. She hasn't got one.

(Whether I agree with her vision or not. It's not that I don't agree - although obvs I don't on gender - it's that there isn't one.)

I think what makes it so especially heart sinkingly depressing, is that we have no credible alternative - we don't have anyone who does get it. It's so fucking disappointing.

The complete lack of insight, logic, common sense, intelligence and the denial of biology and the championing of stereotyping from a woman in 2020, advocating herself as someone who cares about women's right, is jaw dropping.

And Jess Philips seems like someone who, on the surface, wouldn't be like this. What fucking chance have we got? We don't have the "best of a bad bunch" or "the least worst option" - all the options are fucking terrible!

what she has done for women and girls and yet apparently she believes biological men can also be women

The two aren't exclusive. She may well have done much good for women and girls, and also done good for the transwomen she says have used refuges in which she was involved, and not noticed (or chosen to ignore) the downsides of including those transwomen in women's refuges.

'Nobody complained. So it's clearly all fine. And if anyone does complain, it's their own fault for Not Believing. So it's still all fine.'

Tell me what her vision for the country is. She hasn't got one.

She could have taken your and Need's excellent questions and given a summary of her vision as leader:

How do you think the Labour Party should engage with the emerging post-liberalism in British politics? Especially the traditionally Labour-voting section?

Hi Jess, do you agree with the view that culture wars and identity politics have caused a fundamental shift in the political landscape, to the extent that the previous left-wing/right-wing way of seeing things no longer holds good. If not, how do you explain the phenomenon of “blue labour” and the crumbling red wall? And as leader, how would you address the issue?

But no, nothing. She just told us how she pronounces "Momsnet" - I take it her Brummie-ness is supposed to be the answer to everything (or maybe she thought she was on the radio).

I just re read her answers and saw the comment about Equality Impact Assessments.

Which in the context of her other answers...…. she has no clue what they are, she clearly hasn't used them in any meaningful way, or she'd be aware of the massive irony involved.

I am sort-of reminded of arguing for SEN adaptations for my son, and getting a mix of answers from
'He just needs to learn that the real world won't adapt to him'
to
'He can't have a safe space as that would be unfair to the other children'
to
'We know he needs a safe quiet space, so we made one, and then we found 25 other children who also needed it, so we've put them all in together! With extra-bright lighting in case any of them have VI! And extra-loud sounds in case any of them have hearing impairments or need more stimulating!
What do you mean, it doesn't suit him any more?'

OK so I'm confused. Has Jess done a complete U turn since the inquiry into single sex services?

Women and Equalities Committee
Wednesday 22 May 2019 Meeting started at 9.56am, ended 11.36am
parliamentlive.tv/Event/Index/0d07ff13-636e-4b51-a946-2877e583dc4c

Huh. She didnt even bother with my question about porn or another poster about prostitution. Not engaging on things that impact women and girls at all. Happy to use her work atDV shelters for feminist brownie points but won't actually take on feminist issues. Very disappointing

and I thought her answer to the question on freedom of speech and no platforming where she started wittering about the BNP was utterly dire

Yes it wasn’t really an answer was it? More of a statement as to why she thinks free speech is a bad idea :D

She ignored my question about the level of rape and sexual assaults, even in situations where women and girls can expect there to be a level of supervision such as schools and psychiatric wards.

Sorry Jess. I used to admire you, but I couldn't even bring myself to vote Labour now.
The party has been taken over by lunatics who have made their distain for women clear.

Yes it wasn’t really an answer was it? More of a statement as to why she thinks free speech is a bad idea

memento

It was a great question, but her answer shows she doesn't regard freedom of speech as a value worth defending.