Stonewall training in school

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My daughters school has arranged some training for parents about LGBT issues. Apparently it is written by Stonewall. Does anyone know what this might be?

They dont even know what gay is any more . Let alone work/advocate for then. Just look...

The overwhelming majority of LGBT people still support Stonewall

Oh dear. The L can mean two males, two females, or a male and a female. And so can the G.

So, unfortunately, no one has the smallest idea who you mean when you talk about LGB.

I seem to remember recently when a call went out for people to anonymously register their disapproval of Stonewall's policies regarding trans people, around 9,600 signed up. Less than 1% of the LGBT population of the UK. Of course, transphobes and various bigots who are happy to see anything LGBT-related destroyed would have signed up so in effect the percentage of LGBT people who disapprove is probably significantly under that 1% figure. Most LBGT people support Stonewall and there is no evidence to the contrary.

So you dont think that refusing to acknowledge same sex attraction is homophobic?

If anyone can be any gender then what is same sex attraction? It cant exist. That is homophobic.

Less than 1% of the LGBT population

see anything LGBT-related destroyed

the percentage of LGBT people

Most LBGT people

I know this is tricky for you, snow, or rather desperately inconvenient, but again, you are blithely throwing around terms that you are unable to define.

It's meaningless.

Two males giving each other fellatio, can be described as lesbian sex. So when you say stonewall represents lesbians...

Utter jibber jabber.

around 9,600 signed up

9600 people put their name to concerns about an organisation that has the police acting on their behalf creating records on people who do nothing more than disagree with Stonewall, who cause people to lose their jobs, who train up their HR departments to look out for transphobes and various bigots. Isn’t it actually amazing that 9600 were brave enough to this at a time when politicians etc are so scared of speaking out?

Aesopfable

I know, right! Only someone who is unable to understand terms could define 10,000 people objecting to a lobby organisation as something in favour of that organisation.

So when you say stonewall represents lesbians...

Interesting how the members of the so-called feminist board on MN claim to support lesbians and yet most lesbians avoid this place like the plague. There was even a recent thread specifically set up for lesbians to express their concerns which fell so flat on its face that 99% of it was the usual heterosexual members talking amongst themselves. You'd think if trans people are causing so many problems for lesbians they'd be flocking here but they're not. The Leeds march which was extremely well publicised on here but attracted less than 40 people should give you a good indication of the level of support you have amongst lesbians in the real world, despite what you claim.

This is also interesting their website explains that gender and sex are interchangeable then adds romantic to sexual orientation as an excuse to drop/shorten it to just orientation.

They have re written multiple definitions to avoid using biological sex in any definition.

How anyone can look at that and feel "supported" I dont know

Two males giving each other fellatio, can be described as lesbian sex. So when you say stonewall represents lesbians...

Stonewall represents LGB and T who don't see anything strange in that^, whereas the LGB Alliance is about sexual orientation (a protected characteristic) based on sex (another protected characteristic). Why do you have a problem with that snow? I don't get it.

Yet you are here Snow blight even though MN is so irrelevant. You are still spending your precious hours on this tiny website.

9600 were brave enough

Nothing brave about being anonymous. And seeing as it was anonymous why didn't more sign up if this is supposedly one of the biggest threats to lesbians and gays of our time? Perhaps, because no matter how many times people parrot it on here most LGBT people don't agree.

What's the reason you keep avoiding answering whether you believe in same sex attraction.

Forget gay or lesbian as now thanks to stonewall that can mean anything.

Do you think that people are same SEX attracted or do you believe their gender definition?

Interesting how the members of the so-called feminist board on MN claim to support lesbians and yet most lesbians avoid this place like the plague... should give you a good indication of the level of support you have amongst lesbians in the real world, despite what you claim.

Again, with the words you don't understand.

It's all very desperate when, suddenly, you want to change the meaning of words to support an argument.

It's also rather telling how desperate you are to assert that groups like the LGB alliance, get the L out, resisters, etc, are ineffectual.

You're spending an awful lot of your time arguing against something that you think has no effect.

Arguing again something you think has no effect, with words you can't define.

Yup.

As a maths teacher can I just point out that snowblight’s use of data there is embarrassingly flawed.

Petitions are not polls. You can’t use them as if they have statistical meaning.

Snow welcome to the conversation! At least you’re posting actual arguments now rather than the pop up snipes.

It seems somethings changed - you’re sounding more passionate now, your usual tone was more disengaged.

Tis odd an odd change when you seem to be implying the argument already won in your favour.

If I was Stonewall and realised that 10,000 people went out of their way to sign a petition to question my policies, I would be seriously thinking my days were numbered

If I was Stonewall I'd be embarrassed not to be able to muster up a few supporters who understand noblegiraffe's point. Then again, when you've already decided that words mean whatever is most convenient at the time...