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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Cry Me A Bloody River: Article about the Pathetic Plight of Period-Plagued Trans Men

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Durgasarrow · 12/01/2020 21:11

Lord, shrink me a violin so I can play my sad little heart out about the very very very special pain that our uteri having brothers have in getting and using period products. According to this article, period products are expensive, embarrassing, and inaccessible. Whereas for boring old Cisters, they are apparently free, and we gaily run through our offices waving tampons like torches and flapping our pads like happy handpuppets. Oh and we find them somehow "in stores?" Another interesting factlet: TM find it embarrassing to rip open tampon packages in the men's room. Much as women might feel if, um, males were allowed in the women's room? Just sayin.
www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/transgender-men-pain-menstruation-more-just-physical-n1113961

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bellinisurge · 13/01/2020 06:27

Also, there's this thing called Amazon. I hear they sell all sorts of stuff.

slipperywhensparticus · 13/01/2020 06:29

Why are trans men less likely to be able to afford them than women? I'm really unclear on this point?

My tampons are orange and blue 67p a box in unemployed I can still afford a period

JesusMaryAndJosepheen · 13/01/2020 06:37

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RuffleCrow · 13/01/2020 06:42

#WhyWeNeedSexSegretatedFacilitiesPart134566

NeurotrashWarrior · 13/01/2020 06:48

This is internalised misogyny.

Women and menstruation are dirty. Anything associated with women and menstruation is dirty.

Transmen should be feeling compassion for women. They're in a unique situation where they're often viewed as men and so do not get the same treatment but have to put up with the same sometimes restricting, bodily functions as all women.

And news flash: few of us like pink and purple flowers.

I threw a small hissy fit on amazon last night as heat-holder socks in smaller sizes were all pink and cerise. To have blue stripy ones I have to be a man.

NeurotrashWarrior · 13/01/2020 06:52

I'm wearing my first ever pair of period pants at the end of a period and they're amazing. I'll be using properly next time and going to get another two pairs.

Cottons tampons packaging is green and white and a new brand I bought called yoni are white. My bug bear is the cotton based products are expensive. Others irritate me.

I have two days of heavy flow. I've used 5 tampons and 4 pads. But I find I loose a lot when I go to the loo.

SarahTancredi · 13/01/2020 07:05

Fucks sake.

Girls suffer period poverty, miss thousands of hours of school a year, as a result.

Have been humiliated in classrooms not being allowed out to use the toilets.

They suffer ridicule/period shaming and now have to change in toilets they have to share with boys.

And all this person can come up with. They are distressed cos the packets are pink and there are no free tampons in the mens room.

Well of course they arent. Because these rely solely on donations and well meaning kind teachers providing these products out of their own pockets, and now you want to half the supplies available by having them put in the boys/mens loos.

How self absorbed can you get.

AnyOldPrion · 13/01/2020 07:23

#WhyWeNeedSexSegretatedFacilitiesPart134566

Exactly my reaction to that article Ruffle. There’s a reason for sex segregation and it’s related to anatomy.

But I also found myself thinking again about the enormous problems that are being created for those with gender dysphoria when rather than helping them come to terms with reality, they are being told they can change sex. This isn’t a solution because it simply isn’t true.

It seems to me it would be better to stop affirmation and go back to transition beIng a carefully managed last resort when every other treatment option has failed

Sexnotgender · 13/01/2020 07:33

Well of course they arent. Because these rely solely on donations and well meaning kind teachers providing these products out of their own pockets, and now you want to half the supplies available by having them put in the boys/mens loos.

Indeed, and no doubt the ones in the men’s room would be trashed and left unusable.

RoyalCorgi · 13/01/2020 08:17

Period products just aren't that expensive. You'd be hard pushed to spend more than £5 a month on them unless you have a medical problem.

The whole article is ludicrous, for all the reasons people have already mentioned. I also completely agree with Durgasarrow's comment that "If you have an encounter with reality and it makes you sad because it doesn't meet your hopes of what you desire to be true, that sadness may not be a bad thing."

SarahTancredi · 13/01/2020 08:25

Period products just aren't that expensive. You'd be hard pushed to spend more than £5 a month on them unless you have a medical problem

Well they are if you have to spend hours trying to find ones that arent in packets for "women " .

God if a woman posted she couldnt afford to eat or her kid had to go without something because she decided to spend 4 pound in a shop buying towels that didnt mention the word woman or have pink wrappers shed be told to grow up and grab the pink packet for 80p in sainsbury.

This luxury of being so bloody pucky on principle then crying about expenses is pathetic. Especially as hormone is even gon a care or see

SarahTancredi · 13/01/2020 08:25

Noone.

Stupid auto correct

Catsfriend · 13/01/2020 08:32

PurpleArtichoke
I got a Mirena IUD. While I won’t lie and say that it had some side-effects (hair loss, difficult to shed weight...), it ended my 14-day periods. There were days I was afraid to go out.

DuMondeB · 13/01/2020 09:07

I’m allergic to pretty much everything commercially available Including moon cups (gotten worse with perimenopause) so I just use cut up flannels in big knickers (I suspect period pants and reusable towels may give me BV and I don’t want to shell out loads to find out).

I hear flannels come in navy blue and black (mine are hot pink).

PracticallyFamous · 13/01/2020 09:07

You are literally and shamelessly mocking a person’s severe gender dysphoria.

If a person has dysphoria so severe that they are triggered by a stereotype on some product packaging required for a biological phenomenon, they need urgent robust, supportive and sympathetic therapy to learn how to better manage their response to such stereotypes. Not for the entire rest of the world to reconfigure itself around this person to avoid them ever being triggered by reality.

SarahTancredi · 13/01/2020 09:12

If a person has dysphoria so severe that they are triggered by a stereotype on some product packaging required for a biological phenomenon, they need urgent robust, supportive and sympathetic therapy to learn how to better manage their response to such stereotypes. Not for the entire rest of the world to reconfigure itself around this person to avoid them ever being triggered by reality

Exactly.

Period and gynae issues are never taken seriously. Ever. Women make hundreds of thousands of complaints about scented san pro. Nothing happened. Yet with this they caved..

Still, it proves one thing you cant identify out of biology. That's on the idiots who told them they can change sex or transition solves everything. That's not on feminists.

Fed up.of being blamed for the results of everyone elses lies or incompetent bullshit medical.advice

JacquesHammer · 13/01/2020 09:18

I don’t think the number of tampons they’re using is a valid argument as to why this is nonsense.

That’s veering into the territory we usually see on MN when posters suggest period poverty doesn’t exist because they can use one pack of towels from the poundshop for their periods.

The article is, of course, sheer nonsense. The number of products used isn’t the reason why!

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 13/01/2020 09:24

I have never understood this angst.

If you don't want a period - go on the pill, get an implant, get a coil. All free on the NHS.

Sorted.

If you are on testosterone you'll stop periods anyway shortly before your bones crumble, arteries fur up and brain shrinks

JacquesHammer · 13/01/2020 09:28

If you don't want a period - go on the pill, get an implant, get a coil. All free on the NHS

Sorted

This doesn’t work for everyone. Can we stop with the throw away comments on periods!

HelloYouTwo · 13/01/2020 09:37

Hang on - so the article first linked dates this year has Kenny bleating on about all his difficulties accessing sanpro every month. But the one linked further down dated 2018 is an interview with Kenny who talks about how his periods stopped after taking testosterone and how he hasn’t bled since the age of 19. So what exactly is the problem?? The vast majority of transmen must be on testosterone and therefore most of those will not have periods. So this is the usual “the rest of the world must change to accommodate a teeny-tiny minority”.

Oh and wouldn’t it be great if no woman had to have the lived experience of periods. It’s like some idea that because Kenny feels male they don’t do periods but the rest of us must just love ‘em cos they make us feel so damn womanly and feminine.

Melioration · 13/01/2020 09:51

The puberty blockers stopped the periods at 16. They stop the hormones that set off the cascade of sex hormones.

He says there was some spotting on starting testosterone which then stopped.

I think a campaign to change sanitary products for everyone based on such a short term experience is somewhat disingenuous.

CatInTheDaytime · 13/01/2020 09:53

OMG I can't believe the complaints about the cost of tampons etc being presented as if it's special oppression of poor trans men! You couldn't make it up. If only trans men would just accept they are women, their tampons would be free of course, like they are for all CIS women. Not!

And the pink and purple packaging - just a lie. Sanitary product packaging is largely white, blue and/or green because of their associations with cleanliness and a reluctance to suggest actual blood.

And anyway, there is nothing whatsoever unmanly about pink, purple or flowers. Plenty of men wear pink, purple and floral shirts for example.

Clymene · 13/01/2020 09:54

So Kenny has written an article based mainly on using an active imagination as it's not actually an issue for Kenny at all.

Is Kenny trying to position themselves as the voice of the neglected trans man? It seems very odd behaviour otherwise

OldCrone · 13/01/2020 09:54

It’s like some idea that because Kenny feels male they don’t do periods but the rest of us must just love ‘em cos they make us feel so damn womanly and feminine.

It seems to be the usual argument that 'I didn't like xyz about being a woman so I became a transman'. Therefore all women who haven't opted out of womanhood must love every single thing about being women, otherwise they would have transitioned too.

I don't understand how such people could have reached adulthood without realising how far from the truth this is.

CatInTheDaytime · 13/01/2020 09:57

It's the flip side of TW wanting/pretending to have periods because of course embracing and celebrating your periods is so womanly.

Hmm