Story of Richard Hoskins detrasitioner in Mail on Sunday

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Powerful.

How many more stories will there be?

my mistake, not Operation Midland, it was Operation Conifer

this is an important link about Richard Hoskins and his courage in standing up to a bunch of conspiraloon cops and their dubious psychotherapist advisor Elly Hanson, aka Elly Farmer a fascinating person

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7293507/Expert-told-police-Carl-Beechs-evidence-ludicrous-blames-psychotherapists.html

Hoskins is a serious academic as demonstrated by his vast experience and many years of work with the police on extremely serious crimes related to accusations of witchcraft and Kindoki

As an academic with an extensive knowledge of the difference between real religious abuses and imaginary abuses he will be perceived as a threat by various sinsiter networks

Hoskins can be seen in this video (extremely disturbing)

The studies aren't worth a light

And yet every unverified claim from a 'detransitioner' that they know hundreds of others and every 'survey' by a transphobic group that smells of having been written around a coffee table is immediately accepted as the gospel truth around here? I seem to remember one a while ago from the so-called Lesbian Alliance or some group like that where a grand total of 60 people had been surveyed.

He found the ladies loos at the station the safest place on earth. But this isn't because men will bash him in the mens I think he means safe from himself and his sad thoughts and regrets. He is pretending to be someone else, Rachel, perhaps if he put on a fake beard and a wig and went into the gents he'd have felt as safe. He was escaping from himself.

He certainly doesn't, in the Mail at least, write like any academic I've ever read

I don't know anything about his academic work or reputation, but I would think it's pretty easy to grasp that the Mail have their own style and whoever / whatever features in the paper will be edited to conform to that style. It's not indicative of how those people otherwise communicate!

He'd hate it at our tube station the choice is men's, or unisex.

Haha, yes, the new headline, Trangender women demand women only toilets !!

This is important and speaks loudly about who Richard Hoskins is and about his courage

I'm not denying any of that and have admitted my mistake upthread, but the question here is about his article in the Daily Mail, which states quite clearly it is by him.

He's published an article in the DM that, to my reading (and some other critical readers too) reeks of narcissism and reveals an uncomfortable underlying attitude towards women. Argue with me about that, not about his academic reputation, otherwise it might begin to look as if you're trying to distract attention from the subject in hand.

And if you're wondering why I'm still responding when I'm supposed to be having Sunday lunch, my friends were delayed – but we're going now.

He's published an article in the DM that, to my reading (and some other critical readers too) reeks of narcissism and reveals an uncomfortable underlying attitude towards women. Argue with me about that, not about his academic reputation, otherwise it might begin to look as if you're trying to distract attention from the subject in hand.

I do not know Richard Hoskins personally

I have no doubt that he, like all other humans, is flawed

What I do know about him is as follows:

He is a survivor of serious child sexual abuse

He has made it his life's purpose and passion to stop child abuse

He is an expert on religious crimes

He is a victim of gaslighting by some senior police officers

He has suffered multiple traumas as an adult including the devestating loss of a chilld in horrific circumstances

He has been exposed to material about some of the most horrific cases of child abuse and child murder that it is possible to imagine

He is sufficiently courageous to speak out about detransitioning

To me he will always be an ally even if I never get to meet him or communicate with him

If his record of courage and good deeds is not enough for you I really do not know what to say to you. You must be some kind of saint in comparisson and I would love to hear about what you have done to help the most vulnerable people in society

Interesting article. Richard Hoskins may well have had a very unrealistic notion of what it means to be a woman, but he had also not really grasped that you don't have to behave in a particular way to be a man - you just are a man, if you have male anatomy. If you fail to live up to male stereotypes, that doesn't mean you are not a real man, it means you are gender nonconforming, and a jolly good thing too. Gender stereotypes are toxic.

My hunch would be that he was brought up to believe that men and boys have to be tough and brave and that means not giving way to emotion, as that's what weak people do - women, girls, cissies. So the repeated emotional pain he's experienced in his life couldn't be processed properly because he had no way to express emotion.

I'm quite sure that's why there are so many ex-military transitioning. Some men go into the military in the first place because it's about the most manly job you can think of, so it confirms to them that they really are men, in spite of the struggle with gender-related troubles they've had as children. Some will have been in care beforehand and jump from one institution to another. When they leave, they are completely at sea without the structure and routine of institutional life, and the experiences they've had in the military have made their mental health even worse than it was before they went in.

If they got decent therapy/counselling from someone free to explore all issues, maybe things could be got back onto an even keel. But as far too few do get any good support, some of these men floundering in a sea of emotion they can't control or suppress conclude this means they really aren't men after all, and if you aren't a man, what's the only other option?

Can you tell me what aspect of his writing and style in the Mail feature might make one think for a moment that he was a serious academic?

What a bizarre comment. Why on earth would you expect an article in the Mail to read like an academic article?

Argue with me about that, not about his academic reputation, otherwise it might begin to look as if you're trying to distract attention from the subject in hand

The person trying to distract from the subject is you who seem determined to trash this man's career.

I thought it a good article though clearly edited to match the Fail’s house style.

To see this at the end “ There is, after all, an added issue here about respect for women born as women. Looking back, I sometimes think that I was insensitive, that in my rush to change identity I trampled through places which rightly afford women their own dignity and space. What really gave me the right to use ladies’ loos, for example?” was very satisfying.

'Hoskins enrolled at Oxford University to read Theology and took a double First, before completing a PhD at King's College London. Hoskins went on to be a Senior Lecturer at Bath Spa University,[3] and a Senior Research Fellow at King's College London. He has taught Religious Studies at Shebbear College in Devon. He has also held a deputy headship.'

From his website. I would say that sounds like a serious academic.

The fox really is in charge of the henhouse when it comes to child abuse based on religious belief and Richard Hoskins has done all he can to fight against it

Readers might be interested in some more information that I think may help us to understand the kind of people to whom Richard Hoskins, as an expert in real cultic abuses, poses a significant threat

The odious bunch of quacks and predators the ISSTD are promoting one of their regular bonkers satan hunting events in 2020, details as follows (emphasis mine):

A Day With Professor Michael Salter

5 March 2020 | 10:00 AM – 5:00 PM
Centre for Child Mental Health

We are excited to announce our 2020 Regional Conference in London, UK! Join ISSTD for this one-day conference featuring presentations by Michael Salter, PhD, along with Margot Sunderland, Adah Sachs, Kathryn Livingston, Mark Linington, Sue Richardson, Valerie Sinason, and Nancy Borrett!

9:30am-10:00am Registration Open
9:45am-10:00am Introductions and Welcome – Dr Margot Sunderland and Dr Adah Sachs
10:00am-11:15am Organized Child Sexual Abuse: The Contemporary Picture
11:15am-11:45pm Coffee Break
11:45pm-12:45pm Child Sexual Abuse Material: Production, Distribution and Consumption
12:45pm-1:45pm Lunch (Provided)
1:45pm-3:00pm Ritual Abuse, Prolonged Incest and the Intergenerational Transmission of Sexual Violence
3:00pm-3:30pm Coffee Break
3:30pm-4:30pm Small Discussion Groups
4:30pm-5:00pm Final Plenary

Meet our Speakers!

Dr Michael Salter is a Scientia Fellow and Associate Professor of Criminology at the University of New South Wales. His research is focused on child abuse and gendered violence, including primary prevention, complex trauma and technologically-facilitated abuse. He is the author of two books, Organised Sexual Abuse (Routledge, 2013) and Crime, Justice and Social Media (Routledge, 2017), and a range of papers on child abuse and gendered violence. A/ Prof Salter sits on the Board of Directors of the International Society for the Study of Trauma and Dissociation, who awarded him the 2018 Morton Prince Award for Scientific Achievement. He is an Associate Editor of the journal Child Abuse Review and expert advisor to the Canadian Centre for Child Protection.

Joining Michael Salter will be:

Dr Margot Sunderland, Director of the Centre for Child Mental Health
Dr Adah Sachs, ISSTD, writer and attachment based consultant psychotherapist
Kathryn Livingston BEM, Trainer and Voluntary Co-ordinator First Person Plural
Mark Linington, Clinical Director, Clinic for Dissociative Studies
Dr Elly Hanson, psychologist researcher, clinical advisor to CEOP
Sue Richardson, attachment-based psychotherapist and a founder member of ESTD-UK
Valerie Sinason, ISSTD, consultant psychotherapist, Founder and Patron, Clinic for Dissociative Studies
Nancy Borrett, Consultant Psychotherapist, Clinic for Dissociative Studies

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Elly Hanson aka Elly Farmer also appears in another extraordinary event, details as follows ......

To look at the how OEA creates DID through torture/mind control, levels of corruption within services and how society colludes with this.

About this Event

The aim of this weekend is to raise awareness of the problems facing survivors of organised extreme abuse who suffer from resulting Dissociative Identity Disorder.

We will have a rare opportunity to look at the inner world of a survivor of organised extreme/satanic ritual abuse, how Dissociative Identity Disorder was created from birth through the use of programming and mind control. To look at the problems experienced in escaping from abusers, and those encountered in trying to get help and support from school/NHS/Police/Social Services/Therapists.

We shall look at the type of Psychotherapy used, problems encountered and how this has impacted on the internal system created through torture, programming and mind control applied by her abusers. how internal co-communication has gradually been increased. helping the survivor lead a safe and healthy life away from abusers.

The talks given throughout the weekend are also from professionals involved in this field of work, and will look more closely at Dissociative Identity Disorder and the level of corruption involved within the services we expect support and protection from; how this needs to change, yet how difficult this is due to the lack of public/professional awareness, or societies refusal to accept that this extreme level of abuse can even exist within humanity. We shall look at how this plays into the hands of those who carry out this abuse in places of power and control.

This seminar is suitable for professionals involved in working within these services and within the mental health and caring profession. For those who wish to continue in raising awareness of this level of corruption within society, the aim being to reduce the power these abusers hold by bringing it to light, alongside this to increase the help and support available for the survivors.

Dr Valerie Sinason

Valerie is a poet, writer, child and adolescent psychotherapist and adult psychoanalyst (largely retired) and was Founder Director of the Clinic for Dissociative Studies which she continues to consult to. She is a trustee of the institute for Psychotherapy and Disability, Chair of the first people Arts Centre, South Africa, and Hon. Consultant Psychoanalyst at The University of Cape Town Child Guidance Clinic. She trained at The Tavistock Clinic and was then a consultant there for twenty years as well as at St. Georges Hospital Medical School Psychiatry of Disability department. She was a member of the UKSSD and ESTD from the start and is a committee member of the ESTD newsletter. She was given a lifetime achievement award at the ISSTD 2016. She is widely published and lectures nationally and internationally on disability, trauma and dissociation.

Dr Elly Hanson

Dr Elly Hanson is an independent Clinical Psychologist who seeks to contribute to the prevention and cessation of abuse and reducing its impact. She undertakes consultation, research, training and psychological assessment, working primarily with law enforcement, social work teams and the voluntary sector. Her publications include chapters on the impact of online sexual abuse, therapeutic approaches for child and adult survivors, and preventing revictimization.
She was on the panel of the childrens commissioner for England’s inquiry into sexual abuse within the family environment (CSAFE) and has worked therapeutically with audlt survivors of abuse in an NHS substance misuse service, children and young people with problematic sexual behaviour in an NSPCC service, and looked after children.

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Ordinary, mundane, appalling child abuse is just not enough for this lot. If it ain't got VIP paedophile rings, satanists, MKUltra mind control, the Illuminati and various David Icke themed insanity it just don't cut the mustard.

Elly Hanson also made an appearance alongside some of the same witch hunters and quacks, and a few more besides, at a 2019 ESTD UK event that also featured, astonishingly, the following: “Final plenary - Fay Maxted OBE with colleague - Chair Remy Aquerone - The Truth Project - The story so far and hopes for the future”

source via the wayback machine

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To conclude - Elly Hanson aka Elly Farmer, who works with the NCA, CEOP and the NSPCC, makes a habit of attending satanic ritual abuse themed conferences alongside such luminaries as
Valerie Sinason (the longtime queen of the UK SRA promoting conspiracy theories) Remy Aquarone (another deranged satan hunter) and Fay Maxtead OBE who sits on the panel of the IICSA

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if this is not sufficient cause for concern, Alexis Jay the Chair of the Panel of the IICSA also attended an extremely concerning event run by the ESTD, a subsidiary offshoot of the ISSTD, in Berne in November 2017

links via the wayback machine

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I contacted the IICSA and warned them that the ISSTD and the ESTD were controversial organisations with multiple network links to religious and therapy cults including cults that advocate the sexual abuse of minors.

What did they do? Fuck all. She ignored my multiple warnings and attended the event anyway. My concerns were, as so often happens, brushed under the carpet.

It seems to me that our police service (at least at some senior ranks and some PCCs) are bending over backwards to give credence to insane, easily debunked conspiracy theorists whilst themselves promoting bizarre (and often it has to be said antisemitic and anti-British) conspiracy theories about satanic ritual abuse.

The IICSA, the NCA the NSPCC and CEOP all appear to have been compromised by this collective hysteria.

Innocent people, including MPs, senior civil servants and an elderly war hero have been falsely accused of horrific crimes whilst real cults, including those that abuse children, have manipulated their way into positions of influence.

This must be a wonderful time to be a cultic child abuser because whilst everyone’s gaze is distracted by the witch hunt the real abusers are getting away with it.

I’m so glad this has been printed and hope it’s widely read.

Richard not only lost his teenage son, but also his twin babies who became ill whilst he was working in Africa. So he lost 3 children.

My childhood had been ripped apart by a teacher who got a ten-year sentence for sexual abuse. Working in the Congo as a young man, I’d had to bury my first children, twins, who became sick and died.

It’s negligence that his trauma wasn’t recognised during the early appointments with NHS gender services.

I was appalled by Richard's account of being rushed through all the standard, necessary NHS safeguards. I admire him for coming to his senses and for speaking out.

It's frightening to see the NHS meekly toeing the TRA line. I don't know what's worse about the NHS being manipulated into fast-tracking this stuff: the damage being done to physically healthy people like Richard, or the waste of NHS time and money that should be spent on cutting waiting lists for necessary care.

And Dancelike EmmaGoldman, you are so right. "Being a woman is not a bubble bath and frilly knickers". Women have been shouting that for years. Why do so many men cling to that mirage?

My childhood had been ripped apart by a teacher who got a ten-year sentence for sexual abuse. Working in the Congo as a young man, I’d had to bury my first children, twins, who became sick and died.

So the poor man has lost 3 children as well as all of the other very considerable traumas he has endured.

I am in awe of his courage

I just hope that he does not fall into the hands of the many abusers, wolves in sheeps' clothing who provide therapy to vulnerable people with diagnoses of complex trauma.

I'm always a bit when there's a rush to say 'but detransition hardly every happens' in response to a detransitioner sharing their story. It's as if them talking about their experience is a threat, as if people have to be silenced and stopped from listening to them or taking them seriously.

I'm not bothered if it's only 2% of trans people who detransition; those people are just as entitled to be heard as anyone else, and as with this man here, Charlie Evans and others, they are telling society that there are big issues with the current trans ideology and NHS /affirmation machine. Tracking of people over 50 years, with research released in 2010 would be looking at the experience of transsexual people, who were going through pathways and living in a narrative very different to the one that has swept aside so much so fast in the past 5 years. Having concerns about potential damage being done here, and about learning from detransitioners' stories should be important, surely?

And with the point that it's only 2% so don't look/means nothing/shouldn't be considered, I'd point out that the trans population is itself less than 1% of the population. Is there a magic figure at which it becomes appropriate to care about a group in need?

Seems like a lot of weird ideas about women come up with MTF transitions. You dont hear as much about FTM?

It’s negligence that his trauma wasn’t recognised during the early appointments with NHS gender services.

Absolutely.

I remember his situation being discussed a couple of years ago deep in a thread and that simply working on the Adam case was traumatic enough let alone the other terrible losses he's had to endure.

Brace man. Utterly negligent health services.

Re the rates of detransitioners; I'm noticing a fair few have actually spent years, decades even, as the opposite sex so numbers may slowly increase over the next decade. Especially if the individuals have been a part of ROGD.

I also think he is brave to has spoken out, but it’s astounding that someone with such a traumatic background would be fast tracked into making permanent physical changes to their body without first having in depth therapy exploring his prior experiences. I mean honestly it beggars belief! WTF are these clinicians playing at

I am very glad he's written this up. I have huge sympathy for him.

Posters upthread have pointed out the selfish or self absorbed behaviour - but I think the point is that people suffering mentally can behave in very self absorbed ways. I certainly did when I had post natal depression for a bit. But it's for the medical professionals to understand that and see it in its proper context. People don't act in their own best interests at such times. It's hideous that they didn't make a proper effort to understand what was going on with him.