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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Story of Richard Hoskins detrasitioner in Mail on Sunday

108 replies

Needmoresleep · 12/01/2020 00:29

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Powerful.

How many more stories will there be?

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GrumpyGran8 · 12/01/2020 11:46

Career made writing books about ritual and religious killings – he knows what sells.
No. Hoskins made his career out of being a expert consultant on ritual killings, based on researching religion, living in Africa and studying modern African witchcraft at first hand. He's only written the one book, on a London murder that had connections to African witchraft.
He can be rightly criticised for the narcisssitic atitudes and assumptions that come through in the Mail piece. But don't accuse him of "writing to sell".

Patnotpending · 12/01/2020 11:56

Snowblight, no – but then I haven't commented on the transition process and timing.

snowblight · 12/01/2020 12:00

Snowblight, no – but then I haven't commented on the transition process and timing.

By that logic Hmm there's an awful lot of potential trans people on this site seeing as discussing trans issues, especially surgery, accounts for the bulk of traffic on here.

Patnotpending · 12/01/2020 12:07

I googled him and came up with The Boy in the River: A shocking true story of ritual murder and sacrifice in the heart of London – a mass-market thriller title if there ever was one.

He certainly doesn't, in the Mail at least, write like any academic I've ever read. But you're right, a bit more research would have revealed that he has worked with the police and does specialise at a high level in some of the most gruesome and appalling murders imaginable. Not to say that every murder isn't appalling, of course.

Patnotpending · 12/01/2020 12:08

All I did was ask if you had professional knowledge because you seemed to know so much!

snowblight · 12/01/2020 12:09

All I did was ask if you had professional knowledge because you seemed to know so much!

You can learn a lot from reading and talking to people.

testing987654321 · 12/01/2020 12:15

The truth is that the vast majority of trans people are happy with their choices and the rates of detransitioning are tiny.

Do you have research which shows this?

snowblight · 12/01/2020 12:19

In a 2015 survey of nearly 28,000 people conducted by the U.S.-based National Center for Transgender Equality, only 8 percent of respondents reported detransitioning, and 62 percent of those people said they only detransitioned temporarily. The most common reason for detransitioning, according to the survey, was pressure from a parent, while only 0.4 percent of respondents said they detransitioned after realizing transitioning wasn’t right for them.

The results of a 50-year survey published in 2010 of a cohort of 767 transgender people in Sweden found that about 2 percent of participants expressed regret after undergoing gender-affirming surgery.

Patnotpending · 12/01/2020 12:27

Can you provide a link to that research please?

TheTigersBride · 12/01/2020 12:27

I googled him and came up withThe Boy in the River: A shocking true story of ritual murder and sacrifice in the heart of London– a mass-market thriller title if there ever was one

He certainly doesn't, in the Mail at least, write like any academic I've ever read

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Hoskins

Patnotpending · 12/01/2020 12:32

I also wrote:

But you're right, a bit more research would have revealed that he has worked with the police and does specialise at a high level in some of the most gruesome and appalling murders imaginable. Not to say that every murder isn't appalling, of course.

which you edited out.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 12/01/2020 12:32

Could you link to those studies please?

snowblight · 12/01/2020 12:33

Can you provide a link to that research please?

Links within story.

www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/media-s-detransition-narrative-fueling-misconceptions-trans-advocates-say-n1102686

Patnotpending · 12/01/2020 12:37

Fraid I can't read that because I have AdBlock on. But it appears to be NBC coverage. Does that article contain a link to the academic research on which that report was based? Is there another way of accessing that research?

I'm off now for Sunday lunch with friends and may not be back until this evening.

FrogsFrogs · 12/01/2020 12:39

'
By that logic hmm there's an awful lot of potential trans people on this site seeing as discussing trans issues, especially surgery, accounts for the bulk of traffic on here.'

This is completely untrue. There are a vast amount of this discussed on here. If you look at active conversations it's obvious that the above statement is utter cobblers. Yes spoken as a statement of fact.

hoodathunkit · 12/01/2020 12:41

Richard Hoskins is very courageous for writing this piece and has been not only traumatised but gaslighted over his skeptical, rationalist, sane involvement in the collective gaslighting that was Operation Midland.

Hoskins spoke out about Carl Beech's lack of credibility and he was gaslighted by the cops at Operation Midland as a result.

Hoskins has horrific first hand experience of investigating real crimes against children based on religious belief.

He also has experience of reporting batshit insane conspiarcy theories, reported by a cunning paedophile, Carl Beech, and been gaslighted as a result.

I feel for him because my experiences in life, although very different in some ways, mirrors his own.

One thing I have significant personal experience of is of being abused and then, while vulnerable, being further abused.

Anyone who has worked with traumatised, vulnerable people understands that people who have been abused are vulnerable to being abused over and over again.

I worry that, due to his diagnosis of "complex trauma" Hoskins may end up being abused over and over again, simply because of the ISSTD, the ESTD and associated networks of quacks and predators who have infiltrated services for vulnerable people who have endured multiple traumas.

snowblight · 12/01/2020 12:43

This is completely untrue. There are a vast amount of this discussed on here. If you look at active conversations it's obvious that the above statement is utter cobblers. Yes spoken as a statement of fact.

At the time of writing on the first page of this forum there are 42 topics relating to trans issues and 7 relating to non-trans issues.

hoodathunkit · 12/01/2020 12:46

I suspect that Hoskins' skills and knowledge base could have made him a target for the varous therapy cults promoting both the satanic panic and the extreme end of the transgender movment.

Richard, if you are reading this, be very very careful about therapy for complex trauma, especialy any therapies involving the body and any kind of "energy therapy" involving the body and / or "breathwork".

FrogsFrogs · 12/01/2020 12:47

Wtf?

You must have your settings weird.

You've clicked active convos have you? Or are you taking about fwr only which

A. Is a very small part of the site
B. You have to look for so why would you believe it represents the whole site

Unless you have hidden all the other topics?

I mean it's a total lie. As I say, unless you don't actually know what MN is and are focusing only on fwr for some reason. Which is not what most mn users do.

FrogsFrogs · 12/01/2020 12:48

Active convos doesn't have pages I don't think.

I have no idea what you are even looking at.

To say that MN talks mainly about trans issues is utter, obvious bollocks.

LangCleg · 12/01/2020 12:49

The studies don't track those lost to follow up. Not even the NHS tracks those lost to follow up. Huge percentages are lost to follow up. The studies aren't worth a light and the truth is that we have no idea how many detransitioners and regretters there are.

FrogsFrogs · 12/01/2020 12:51

And I don't think that talking nonsense about what MN is and what's discussed is right at all.

This site is a huge source of support across a massive range of issues for women, also a place for women (it's almost all women) to talk to each other about everyday things. To paint it and the women on here as primarily discussing trans is an odd thing to do especially when it's so patently untrue.

Why would a person do that.

TheTigersBride · 12/01/2020 13:09

which you edited out

Even when you were shown to be wrong your focus was on emphasising how sensationalist you consider the book was with a grudgingly given afterthought.

It's really quite nasty given his background in criminology and African religions that you should have emphasised that one book to belittle him.

Patnotpending · 12/01/2020 13:29

That is the only book he has published from what I can see. It won him a Golden Dagger crime award and was a Times best-seller – not a dry academic work.

Can you tell me what aspect of his writing and style in the Mail feature might make one think for a moment that he was a serious academic?

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