Owen Jones “supporters” “visit” Giles Coren’s home

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Right, not sure you’ll agree that this belongs in Feminism as such but as it involves women’s greatest fanboy (not) Owen Jones I thought it’d be of an interest. Just to show what sort of people support him and his ideas.
Giles Coren might be a tit but I can’t imagine his column readers visiting his adversaries‘ homes and upsetting their families. It’s the paragraph titled “Beyond a joke“.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/cereal-boxes-make-me-snap-crackle-and-pop-85tv05h8t

If he really didn't know OJ was gay, that's an astonishing admission for someone who moves in media circles.
Exactly.
I can't remember what OJ actually tweeted in response but I think he was entitled to call Coren out for an unpleasant, sleazy comment. If what OJ said was more provocative than that then I stand corrected.

Of course none of that justifies Coren's family being harassed but as far as I'm concerned, the people responsible for that are the thugs who went round to his house. No-one else.

1. Jones should condemn the behaviour of his followers, if he hasn't already.
2. The police should be following up on this.
3. Giles Coren is loathsome. It was a nasty comment. However, a more intelligent, mature and witty person than Jones would have responded with a clever put down and left it at that.

Giant toddlers is right. We seem to be in danger of losing critical thinking, emotional regulation, evidence-based policies and a language based on universally accepted definitions of words and usage of pronouns. Oddly enough, all that will make it very difficult indeed to think, talk and write logically about things and criticise new laws/policies that don't seem to make sense. I wonder who benefits from that?

OJ has repeated form for whipping up twitter mobs and encouraging dogpiles and IMO has made far worse public comments than Coren who I also have no time for tbf. Didn't he tweet for everyone to go and 'protest' against Theresa May when she was visiting the Grenfell survivors in a church, resulting in her having to be taken away for her own safety? IIRC, Corbyn went later the same day for his one visit and had some lovely caring photos taken that somehow all showed him as the focus of the composition.

Jones should condemn the behaviour of his followers, if he hasn't already

If only! twitter.com/OwenJones84/status/1214649137922228224 and a retweet of someone saying how much online and offline abuse OJ suffers. Astonishing. All my sympathy to Walker and her children for the horrendous experience they endured.

This is not about defending GC and saying the comment was fine and fair. The point that the women here are making, repeatedly, is that a woman and her children were subject to intimidation because OJ has most emphatically contributed to a culture where people think intimidation is justified if you believe someone has said something bad enough.

OJ rightly, obviously, complains about homophobic violence, and he talks a lot about far right violence. But he is more than happy to stoke the fires of intimidation and violence if he thinks the people involved deserve it for their words, which makes him a big old steaming hypocrite.

OJ's lack of self-knowledge is extraordinary.

medium.com/@OwenJones84/changing-my-relationship-with-twitter-ff4d3c0106b5

I realise this is just a repost of Alltheprettyseahorses's post - should have checked. Sorry.

Unless OJ tweeted directions to Coren's house then I find the idea that his words are in some way responsible for other people's thuggery quite troubling.

And yes it might have been more dignified to say nothing or retort with a pithy but it was a deeply unpleasant slur and I think he was entitled to say so.

Soz - or retort with a pithy one-liner.

There is a wonderful one liner in a judgment of Knowles J (currently considering the Fair Cop case) which I was reading yesterday.
"But Twitter is a medium where people abuse each other regularly and not in a literal way, and a reasonable reader would know that."

Can someone tell Big Steph

The point is he has made it quite clear that he thinks a bit of intimidation if the subject is sufficiently disagreeable is ok. Obviously he is not directly responsible for asking his fans to go and do this, but at the very least a 'not in my name' condemnation is appropriate. Instead there's a medium article in which he says he's pulling back from Twitter and reiterates all his nasty, petty positions just so we're clear.

I'm not going to post on this again, because I think we've probably said everything now, but to reiterate - GC is a gauche, goady prat, OJ has a right to complain about that, but when OJ has gleefully been part of a Twitter culture that encourages entirely disproportionate responses to perceived offence, he bears some responsibility when his 'supporters' decide to go and intimidate a woman and child on his behalf, and yes, the thugs who did it are culpable for being unjustifiable and criminal bullies.

The fact that he even has such a thing as supporters is weird. If I thought there were total strangers on Mumsnet who would go out and avenge some wrong that had been done to me just at the raising of my perfectly plucked eyebrow I would get off Mumsnet immediately. Because I’m not a raging egomaniac.

Giles Coren is a 1st class twat and was obviously trying to promote his new BBC offering "Back In Time For Bigotry" I am a huge fan, on the other hand of Owen Jones.

Giles The Wankpot said something homophobic about Owen The Wankpot and Owen's Wankpot Army went round his house and shouted at Giles The Wankpot's wife and kids - who have nothing to do with Wankpottery.

And this, my friends, is the current state of the British mediating class. They'd do us all a favour if they just shut the fuck up.

Wankpottery presents an appalling image.

No, I don't want you to glaze it.

Gah it's horrible being misunderstood by all sides... Many of us who voted Labour did so despite Little OJ. The pics of him with my local candidate very nearly made me spoil the vote. I had to remind myself he's not nearly as important as he likes to project that he is.

Re the tweet. Not that funny, but why are gay men exempt from being fat old sexual predators? As a woman I have far too much lived experience of the fact that hetero men can be sexual predators. So I'd never assume it was exclusive to gay men. The important factor here is surely "male", regardless of what that intersects with.

Totally agree about emotional self regulation

Wankpottery presents an appalling image.

Smuttery will get you nowhere.

at the very least a 'not in my name' condemnation is appropriate.
I agree, and I also doubt whether we'll ever see one. But I still don't think OJ's tweets make him responsible for other people's behaviour. I think drawing a connection, however tenuous, between the two takes us down a very slippery path.

Wankpottery

Which one's Owen and which one's Giles?

Flo, I kind of agree on one level, and I'm aware of the slippery path you mean - it's not like feminists haven't been accused of their words being the reason why men beat up trans prostitutes, etc.

In response I'd say that feminists have repeatedly reiterated that violence is abhorrent and that they do not support it. I've never seen someone suggest a violent or intimidating act on here that hasn't been swiftly slapped down by sensible women with some considerable authority.

Because that's the responsibility inherent in free speech - words can certainly have consequences among the weak minded and you do what you can to mitigate that.

I suppose my point here is that Jones doesn't mitigate. Jones sets off his little outrage bombs and sits back in the pretense that he is separate from the people he has genuinely convinced it is a good thing to do this.

Any woman here would condemn violence perpetrated by someone claiming to represent FWR in the strongest terms. Jones hasn't done the same, and in fact appears to want to make this a pissing contest between two egotist men, ignoring that a woman and her children were the victims. Plus ca change, etc.

Anyway, I absolutely have to do some work now

But I still don't think OJ's tweets make him responsible for other people's behaviour.

Owen's the one who thinks women tweeting about women's rights is comparable to violent incitement against trans people. He can't have it both ways. By his own standards his endless QTing is incitement in exactly the same way.

Wankpottery.

Has OJ condemned the mob? He can't encourage pile-ons - which he does all the time - and then pretend that if those pile-ons spill out into RL behaviour, he has no responsibility. Legally, he may not but morally he does.
I hope the people who turned up at GC's house are charged. It will be interesting to see where the law comes down between a group of 'woke' activists and GC. We know they always favour the woke against women ...