Jess Phillip's championing the removal of asking the consent of a woman before her marriage changes.

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Well that's disappointing, to say the least.

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And Lady Nugee was brought up by a single mum and cleaned vomit in bogs on a ferry.
Still, it will be her sneering at a working class van driver with an England flag in his house window that will be what they remember most.

So Sir Kier Starmer and Lady Nugee are two hopes of winning back the working class vote to Labour? I can see it being an uphill struggle.

And yet the working-classes happily voted for a wealthy old Etonian last time round, so maybe they aren't that bothered about someone's background. Who knows?

I always find it ironic that Emily Thornbery - "Lady Nugee" - is the only candidate for the Labour leadership who was brought up in a council house and attended a secondary modern school, yet has the misfortune to be regarded as posh and out-of-touch. Jess Phillips, on the other hand, came from a comfortable middle-class background, attended a top grammar school but has successfully spun herself as the voice of the ordinary, humble working-class voter.

See also Roy Jenkins, considered by many to be too posh for Labour leader. He was the son of a South Wales miner.

Yes indeed, Mockers. I think a lot of it is to do with accent and also how you present yourself. Roy Jenkins had a rather patrician manner. You could probably say the same of Thornberry. Whereas Jess sounds like a Brummie and has a highly-developed woman-of-the-people schtick.

It is also sexist: If the tables were turned and she had the gong, Dame Emily's spouse would be plain old Mister.

It’s not looking likely to be Jess anyway.
The favourites are KS, Rebecca Long Bailey and Lisa Nandy.

Tinsel - if a politician came out and said that they supported removing forced marriage the spousal veto, but only after legislating for speedy no-fault divorce, would you be okay with that?

It would certainly be better if the "veto"'was looked at as part of a wider review of divorce law, (this is never what is proposed), but even that still wouldn't help women who can't get divorced.

Lady Nugee was brought up by a single mum and cleaned vomit in bogs on a ferry.
Still, it will be her sneering at a working class van driver with an England flag in his house window that will be what they remember most

Not seeing what point you are making. She is a snob now regardless of how authentically working class she might have been in the past.

Is there anything else that alters the terms of the contract of marriage so drastically that is given a pass like this? Abandonment, adultery, these things breach the contract, but this suggestion retrospectively alters the contract and only one party is allowed a say?

Let's face it, the only possible spin they have is calling it a veto and suggesting that any woman who would say no is an abuser. Anyone who isn't a gibbering misogynist or missing a head and thus a brain can see this for what it is.

Twitter can be so revealing sometimes! From what I've seen Jess Phillips tries to position herself as someone who listens to everyone and looks for compromise. It's quite amusing to see her let slip she's been listening to arguments from one side only.

But to be honest, I don't think any candidate will dare come out in support of women. I could say I'm not even following the leadership debate but that's clearly not true because I'm on here! But what I mean is that I don't expect anything beyond platitudes from any of them.

Right now I'm more concerned about what the TWAW lobbyists are saying to Johnson and his ministers because I don't trust them not to revive self ID, even if it wasn't in their manifesto.

About time we came up with a riposte to the utterly misnamed "spousal veto"

What Jess is actually advocating is a "forced marriage clause"

Perhaps we should start calling her proposed clause what it is.

I'm all for this. It's technically incorrect but less incorrect than "spousal veto" which as others have pointed out, sounds like the mean wife can call a halt to the glitter.

Forcing someone to stay married in this situation is cruel and unnecessary.

Is there anything else that alters the terms of the contract of marriage so drastically that is given a pass like this?

If autoandrophilia due to women's excessive consumption of porn was suddenly to become a thing, and middle aged married women everywhere were growing beards and wearing y-fronts, demanding their husbands become sexually passive so as to make those women feel more dominant and masculine, do you think those men would be forced to accept their new status as married gay men?
It sounds so completely ridiculous that way around, strangely.

It does flying. Really does

Men having to become gay men

I always find it ironic that Emily Thornbery - "Lady Nugee" - is the only candidate for the Labour leadership who was brought up in a council house and attended a secondary modern school, yet has the misfortune to be regarded as posh and out-of-touch.

Agree Royalcorgi, people make assumptions because of Emily Thornberry’s accent. In the same way, Jess Phillips uses her Birmingham accent to highlight her local roots.

I did like her speech about skills and earnings when she was speaking about immigration. That is a feminist issue because jobs in which women are in the majority like care work are seen as low skilled when they are simply low paid. However, she does come across as a bit of a self publicist.

I suggest renaming "spousal veto" as "forced REmarriage"

î.e. that we are campaigning "against forced REmarriage," not "for a spousal veto"

it would make the issue clearer

Not the first questionable tweet from Jess Phillips while serving as an MP.
Didn’t she tweet a death threat to Corbyn? Saying she would knife him in the front?
There was also the bitch rant. That went along the lines of you have no idea what a bitch I can be, you better hope you don’t come up against a bitch like me, you won’t win.

Jess Phillip's twitter feed is like one long cesspit of aggression, stupidity and ego.

Yes devereaux. I agree. I remember her saying she was essentially a scullery maid! Really! An MP with all the power and wealth to go with it and she thinks she’s a scullery maid? That was appropriation of working class culture/identity that she has no claim on.

Didn’t she tweet a death threat to Corbyn? Saying she would knife him in the front?

No. I'm not a Phillips fan but that just isn't true. She was asked in an interview (with Owen Jones no less) if she would stab Corbyn in the back, and she said No, she would stab him in the front. To stab someone in the back is a well-known metaphor for betraying someone in a deceitful manner, whereas she was saying that if she disagreed with Corbyn she would do so to his face. Anyone who says that this constitutes a death threat is being disingenuous.

I phrased that badly - I didn't mean 'if she disagreed with Corbyn" I meant "if she was going to get rid of him as leader".

Twenty Five Quid for a vote in the leadership election.

Now there's a party that puts the interests of the low-waged and unemployed first.

î.e. that we are campaigning "against forced REmarriage," not "for a spousal veto"

it would make the issue clearer

I'm not sure that meeting hyperbole with hyperbole is the right approach.

As I said previously, I prefer calling the current law the "spousal exit clause"

I saw someone on twitter call it the Spousal Freedom Clause but Spousal Exit Clause is what it is.

Also, I hadn't considered the practical problems of divorcing someone who has changed their birth certificate - assets in a different name/sex etc. and the extra time and cost this would incur.

So it makes sense to end the marriage before the full GRC is issued.