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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

York theatre royal toilets

192 replies

pigsknickers · 02/01/2020 19:57

I visited today and was irritated to find that one of the two women's toilets is now unisex (and yes the men still have two to themselves). Here's the text of the email I've written them; I'm planning to c&p it to any venues I come across who've pulled this stunt from now on. Awaiting waffle bollocks response.

"I visited the theatre today with my mum and two small children, and I want to tell you how appalled we were to find you've designated one of the two female toilet facilities as unisex, while the men still have two single sex facilities. There are so many reasons why we found this to be a misjudged move on your part:

  1. Women need more, not fewer public toilets than men. We are often looking after small children or elderly female relatives in the toilets. We need more time and space to deal with menstruation (which we really don't want to do in a shared space with men). Many venues suffer from long queues to use the ladies' as it is. When I visited today, the toilets in question were full of women trying to toilet their children, with men adding to the overcrowding (while there was a men-only facility just next door). Yes, I could have used the women-only toilets upstairs, but with two small children in tow I had neither the time nor the energy to drag them up two flights of stairs.
  2. Men's toilets are dirty. Men tell us this all the time; many men take steps to ensure they won't have to use a cubicle while they're out, because men urinate on the seats and floor. This gets worse in venues where alcohol is served.
  3. Women need privacy away from men when performing intimate functions. I sometimes have very heavy periods, and do not want to wash blood off my hands while standing next to a man. I don't want a man to overhear me explain to my three year old what a sanitary towel is.
  4. Women in states of vulnerability are not safe in shared sex spaces. Your cubicles are not even floor-to-ceiling; you are making it easier for predatory males to intimidate, harass and attack women and girls.
  5. Women have fought long and hard for single-sex provision so that they have equal access to public life. Both the WHO and UNICEF emphasise the importance of single-sex toilets in protecting girls in developing countries from rape, and allowing them to participate in public life. Without adequate toilet provision, women and girls in this country too would have their safety and dignity compromised whenever they leave the house. I would be very interested to know what Equality Impact and Risk Assessments were carried out before this change was implemented.
  6. It is just not acceptable that men now have access to 2.5 of 4 toilet facilities, while women - who I presume make up at least 50% of your clientele (I would guess more based on today's audience) - only have access to 1.5 of them. I anticipate an explanation that this change was made to make better provision for transgender people, and while this may be a laudable aim, I invite you to consider why it was deemed appropriate to remove a significant proportion of your female customers' toilet provision. This sends a very clear message that you value your female customers less than any other demographic, and for this reason I will not be visiting the Theatre Royal in the foreseeable future."
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SarahTancredi · 27/01/2020 10:13

I expect the wait is in order to give the impression that it's not illegal, everything is ok so there no hurry.

Arthritica · 27/01/2020 10:14

That’s brilliant!

Joisanofthedales · 27/01/2020 10:16

Very well done pigs. Brava Flowers

ElfDragon · 27/01/2020 10:18

That is fantastic. Well done OP, and others who also raised this issue.

Thank you

Lordfrontpaw · 27/01/2020 10:39

They will get a flurry of complaints - so don’t hold your breath that it won’t be reversed again.

SarahTancredi · 27/01/2020 10:41

They will get a flurry of complaints - so don’t hold your breath that it won’t be reversed again

Except it cant be done without renovation work as the current toilets are illegal.

LangClegsOpinionIsNoted · 27/01/2020 10:45

Wow, great result!!

Uncompromisingwoman · 27/01/2020 10:47

Congratulations OP.
I suspect that the reality of parents complaining when their daughters had to encounter men with their penis exposed must have made it hard to justify - even to the wokest of the woke (although of course the perviest of the perves will no doubt complain).

ThinEndoftheWedge · 27/01/2020 11:04

I would be interested in knowing what their previous lay out is.

Pigs - you are a legend. Thank you very very much!

Mossyrock · 27/01/2020 11:53

Oh well done pigs, Kat's mum and everyone who complained! Thank you!!

Women and girls need single SEX spaces for safety, dignity and privacy.

theflushedzebra · 27/01/2020 11:59

Bloody well done Pigs - that has truly brightened my day! Thank you Thanks

Beamur · 27/01/2020 13:33

Well done.
Even if they do get complaints it may encourage them to think more about what all of their customers want and what the law is.
Maybe this really was to test the waters ahead of money being spent on new facilities.

tooyoungat40 · 27/01/2020 14:00

Fantastic news! Thanks Pigsknickers.

OhHolyJesus · 27/01/2020 15:02

That's wonderful OP, if we keep speaking up we can make an impact.

Let's keep going!

Mayomaynot · 27/01/2020 15:09

Excellent news, pigsknickers! Well done! I think we all need to speak up any time we see this happening. It seems to be coming in thick and fast at the moment. If venues are acting illegally, then they need to be told. I hope someone like Janice Turner writes something about the legality of the situation.

andyoldlabour · 27/01/2020 15:30

pigsknickers
That is great news, Well done!

KitchenDancefloor · 27/01/2020 18:08

Well done. This is the first instance I know of where unisex loos have reverted to separate sex. And now we have your letters as models for our own local fights.

(I wish I could write a complaint letter like that from scratch!)

SchadenfreudePersonified · 27/01/2020 18:23

Well done!

At last a blow for common sense.

Barbthebuilder · 27/01/2020 18:37

Brilliant! Well done.
Now we just need to get them to do a reverse on sacking off the panto!

Tubbytwo · 27/01/2020 18:44

Thank you for doing this for every woman and girl who has to use these toilets Flowers

starlingsintheslipstream · 27/01/2020 18:47

Great news - well done to all who voiced their concerns.

rednsparkley · 27/01/2020 19:13

This is a fantastic outcome! Thank you so much to all of you who took the time to complain and to pigsknickers who persevered FlowersFlowers

GaraMedouar · 27/01/2020 19:34

I’ve only just seen this thread but well done pigsknickers , great result

Procrastinator2 · 27/01/2020 20:00

Thank you!

pigsknickers · 27/01/2020 20:27

Thanks everyone! This is 100% a Mumsnet collective victory, I wouldn't have known where to start without the wisdom and fire I've gleaned from here over the years.

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