Are you non binary...

[Bearsinmotion]

According to Wikipedia?

Non-binary, or genderqueer, is a spectrum of gender identities that are not exclusively masculine or feminine‍—identities that are outside the gender binary.[1] Non-binary identities can fall under the transgender umbrella, since many non-binary people identify with a gender that is different from their assigned sex[2] but does not necessarily, as some intersex people are also non-binary.

Non-binary people may identify as having two or more genders (being bigender or trigender);[4][5] having no gender (agender, nongendered, genderless, genderfree or neutrois); moving between genders or having a fluctuating gender identity (genderfluid);[6] being third gender or other-gendered (a category that includes those who do not place a name to their gender).

Gender identity is separate from sexual or romantic orientation,[8] and non-binary people have a variety of sexual orientations, just as cisgender people do.

A non-binary gender is not associated with a specific gender expression, such as androgyny. Non-binary people as a group have a wide variety of gender expressions, and some may reject gender "identities" altogether.

I had this exact conversation with DS earlier today.
I don't fit the female stereotype, so I must be non-binary. As most people don't, male and female, IMO.

Thanks for your interesting theory BlueCornish. Yes your post made sense to me too.

Why would they have to define it? Couldn't their definition be whatever they want it to be?

Haha!!!!

No. No it couldn't.

I'm non-binary and I unironically am non-binary. I don't see why that's such an issue to you all - if you don't identify that way, it's totally fine! Nobody is forcing anybody to.

I don't see why that's such an issue to you all

As someone mentioned up thread people are allowed to discuss this

It’s just all bollocks and made up shit

Imagine believing in this stuff.

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if you don't identify that way, it's totally fine! Nobody is forcing anybody to.

I think you missed the point of this thread.

I'm non-binary...

Rocketmen, I've never really understood what this means and looking it up online is very confusing. Could you please say in a few words what being non-binary means to you?

Thanks.

I'm happy to answer questions as long as you're actually asking them rather than asking them to challenge me on everything I say. I've seen instances on this board where people do a form of concern trolling by acting like they're genuinely interested when all they're intending to do is laugh and I'm not interested in that kind of interaction.

That's a good question.
What does non-binary mean to you?
Why do you think it applies to you?

I saw this on twitter and it sums this all up

Well lads, I think this decade has worked out well. It started out looking grim but some astute institutional capture, inspired colonisation and society-wide DARVO had ensured that the primacy of the dick prevails into the 2020s and is even seen as progressive by the young.

But rocket man why do you have to have a label

Is it necessary?

I'm happy to answer questions as long as you're actually asking them rather than asking them to challenge me on everything I say. I've seen instances on this board where people do a form of concern trolling by acting like they're genuinely interested when all they're intending to do is laugh and I'm not interested in that kind of interaction.

Is non-binary:

A: your soul
B: your personality
C: a state of material reality
D: your "gender identity"

If D, please define "gender identity" in falsifiable terms.

FWIW: I'm neither laughing nor concerned.

If saying that you have a gender becomes compulsory, then I would tick the non-binary box but still think it is meaningless claptrap.

If I was allowed to. But I probably wouldn't be permitted as for non-binary to mean something some people need to be forced into the binary c*s boxes. And as I am female and not young, those trying to shape society in this way must impose their categorisations on others, and I'm likely to be one of those they impose it on.

I thought this was a good article on non-binary.

medium.com/4th-wave-feminism/non-binary-is-the-new-not-like-other-girls-and-its-deeply-rooted-in-misogyny-7a7e5ec539ba

I'm happy to answer questions as long as you're actually asking them rather than asking them to challenge me on everything I say.

Yep, genuinely interested. Most people I know in real life either have not even heard of non-binary or, for those who have, don't get it or understand. I've heard of it thanks to being on here yet still none the wiser. So when you describe yourself as non-binary what does it mean for you?

I am genuinely interested in the answers to Lweji’s questions above. Also do you agree with the accusations from some of the more vocal trans activists that gender critical women are TERFs and #nodebate

If a male identifies as a woman and wants to have sex with women, he’s a lesbian, in this mad world, because what matters for categorising ones sexual orientation is apparently one’s gender identity, not biological sex.

If I don’t identify with traditional femininity, I am non binary; that is my gender identity so must be what is relevant for determining my sexual orientation. So if I have sex with a man who similarly fails to identify with traditional masculinity (someone like Paul Hollywood with all that baking) presumably I am gay! Because we are both non-binary! We have a shared gender identity!

I thought I was just an ordinary boring middle aged heterosexual woman, but no! I am special! I am a non-binary gay person!

*I want to stress though that I do not fancy Paul Hollywood. That’s just an example.

I want to stress though that I do not fancy Paul Hollywood. That’s just an example.

Yeah, whatever.

One of my issues with someone declaring themselves to be non-binary is the implicit suggestion that those of us who do not declare ourselves to be non-binary, are therefore "binary". It's like labelling by default. I do not "identify" with femininity, or with masculinity. I view both of those as constraints placed upon us on the basis of our biological sex. I fit in with certain behaviours/mannerisms/interests, on both sides of the feminine-masculine (man-made) spectrum as well as many in between... As I think all of us do.

What happened to rocketmen?

("... not the man they think I am at home..")

Funnily enough, another line from the Reg Dwight song goes:

"And all this science I don't understand"

So, you know.

Yup. And I reckon pretty much everyone is. Maybe that woman who has surgeries and such to look like a barbie would be fully feminine I guess..but surely she likes/does some 'masculine' things too, so again, non binary. Because the word means fucking nothing, all it means is your personality/tastes are not following the 'correct' stereotypes

Non-binary people as a group have a wide variety of gender expressions, and some may reject gender "identities" altogether.

Oh right then. So exactly like any old group of normal human beings then.

I'm a simplistic person. Here is my view. We are born either male or female. Some males will be very "male" and others will be far more "feminine". But they are still male. Same goes for females. To me sex and gender are the same thing. This can and should of course be changed by surgery for the few who genuinely feel they were born in the wrong body. We can all wear/do what we like in whatever proportion and in accordance with our moods but gender and sex is the same thing male or female. Sexuality has nothing to do with it. Non binary etc seems to be an attempt to be "interesting" or "different". Nobody is any more interesting/different/special than anyone else. We are all humans. Some of us have vaginas (female), some of us have penises (male). How we dress them up/use them/who we share them on any given day with is nobody's business but our own. It's that simple surely??

What's next? Trans species? I think I'll identify as a jellyfish today. It's all just getting a bit ridiculous!

I agree with BearsinMotion and BlueCornsihPixie. I just don't understand this need that people have to define themselves according to gender, and to label their 'gender identity'. All this drive to label themselves, to declare their pronouns. Why? What purpose does it serve?

It's a little bit like when I was younger and other kids would ask me what football team I supported. Erm, none? And someone would go, but if you did support a team, which one would you support? If you had to choose? I don't know, I don't bloody care, none of them, I'm not interested in football!

Only now, if you try to say that you're not interested in gender, that it's not relevant to you, you get called 'cis' and told to check your privilege.