Are you non binary...

[Bearsinmotion]

According to Wikipedia?

Non-binary, or genderqueer, is a spectrum of gender identities that are not exclusively masculine or feminine‍—identities that are outside the gender binary.[1] Non-binary identities can fall under the transgender umbrella, since many non-binary people identify with a gender that is different from their assigned sex[2] but does not necessarily, as some intersex people are also non-binary.

Non-binary people may identify as having two or more genders (being bigender or trigender);[4][5] having no gender (agender, nongendered, genderless, genderfree or neutrois); moving between genders or having a fluctuating gender identity (genderfluid);[6] being third gender or other-gendered (a category that includes those who do not place a name to their gender).

Gender identity is separate from sexual or romantic orientation,[8] and non-binary people have a variety of sexual orientations, just as cisgender people do.

A non-binary gender is not associated with a specific gender expression, such as androgyny. Non-binary people as a group have a wide variety of gender expressions, and some may reject gender "identities" altogether.

It's really a load of bollocks isn't it. Who, on this earth, fully identifies with every single stereotype of their gender? Certainly no one I know

This! I think there is a lot to be said to taking this view!

More than one sex - nonsense
Gender identity - if you say so....those that say they have one, they have. This that don't feel they have one, don't. Some people have, some people don't - there you have it.

People suffering with disabling conditions relating to dysphoria - should be entitled to treatment - the ideal is to help them accept all aspects of themselves. If this fails, then to access other treatments to alleviate suffering should be available, once all other options fail. This being viewed as an undesirable option but preferable to abject misery.

People with fetishes - go ahead with them, so long as all parties you involve in your fetish are consenting.

I honestly think that day light will get us to the above being the widely held, accepted position.

Isnt everyone nonbinary? It’s just another stupid label to make the common person feel special and unique.

Yes, I agree that pretty much everyone is non-binary.

I do not have a gender identity, and have in the past used the term "gender free" which I believe was coined on Twitter as a way for GC people to define their lack of gender identity.

I just do not understand this modern obsession with gender identity. I have never defined myself by how masculine or feminine I am, nor would I wish to do so. I am female, but my sex is just a small part of who I am. I don't have a gender identity any more than I have an "eye colour identity" or a "height identity" or an identity placing me on the "good-looking/ugly spectrum."

I just AM.

I just do not understand this modern obsession with gender identity. I have never defined myself by how masculine or feminine I am, nor would I wish to do so. I am female, but my sex is just a small part of who I am

I do understand that for some people, their sex is an integral part of their identity and ideas about gender play in to this. I also accept that this can be difficult and distressing for some. However, conflating sex and gender and trying to re-write biology and deny reality is not an acceptable or sustainable way of dealing with this.

I agree Mrs K
I don’t consider my identity as including gender. It’s too big and complex to be defined by gender stereotypes. If I opted into their prison with many cells, I suppose I’d be in the agender cell. But I refuse such constricting labels.
Gender free is a good term.

I suppose, building on Lang's posts above, it's the difference between viewing yourself as a heretic or an atheist?

To say you are non-binary according to definitions still buys into those definitions being meaningful in some way for you to actively reject it, so you are a gender-heretic?

Whereas to not buy into the religion at all makes you a gender-atheist?

If you believe in genderism, then yes, everyone is non-binary.

It's just another example of why genderism is not a belief system we should be organising society around.

If you believe in genderism, then yes, everyone is non-binary.

I disagree. Almost everyone is non binary, by that description. However a core component of a belief in genderism seems to be that one forcibly ascribes the label of "cis" to anybody that does not declare themselves either trans or non binary. A few people might be comfortable with that label but a lot of feminist women obviously are not. Genderism really doesn't work without the assumption that most people are "cis". When a person decides to declare that they are non binary (as any one of us legitimately could) they are saying that they face more oppression in life than all the people whom they assume are "cis". This completely disregards material reality and oppression faced by people for their class, race and sex.

After the shocking outcome of Maya Forstater's trial I've read plenty of supportive tweets by trans individuals but interestingly not a single self declared non binary person has stepped up to condemn the loss of freedom of speech in their name.

Genderism really doesn't work without the assumption that most people are "cis".

Well, exactly. It's also important to remember the rule that no-one can tell you what your gender identity is - which is constantly broken by imposing the label 'c*s' on people.

We know that anytime you try and apply any kind of logic, the whole house of cards falls down. The fact that everyone is non-binary by the genderist's own definitions but also simultaneously needing everyone to be c*s proves this point.

There's just too many contradictions. And this is in the 'rules' laid out by genderists themselves!

I too fall into the made-up nonsense category.

I feel so free!

I don't believe in the concept of a gender identity. If there were such a thing, or if you used gender identity to mean adherence to feminine or masculine stereotypes, then we are all non-binary, and therefore none of us are. Because it's not a thing.

Well possible exceptions to non-binary would be transgender people who firmly follow the stereotypes of their chosen gender. But as gender stereotypes are time and culture dependent, I still don't think it is possible.

I don’t have a gender identity but other people expect me to send birthday cards and look after the DC. Funny that.

How about recognising that gender is a component of some people's identity but not everyone 's. Therefore some people have a gender, others don't. No one need comment on or challenge anyone's gender identity or their lack of gender identity.
Therefore, if you have a gender identity, fine....define it as you wish without challenge. If you don't, fine.....be free not to have one. Within this framework, people can be cis gender, others can simply not have a gender identity. The key thing being no assumptions can be made.

I can't imagine a situation where having no gender identity need be a problem!

How about recognising that gender is a component of some people's identity but not everyone 's

They'd have to define it first.

I thought this was going to be about a quiz. I then googled and did a quiz (on Playbuzz). Apparently I'm a cis male er, nope. Then another quiz suggested I have mild gender dysphoria, probably as I said I was unhappy at the roles assigned to my 'gender'. I think that's actually mild feminism.

Me: yes, as I reject gender “identities” altogether, but I would be reluctant to describe myself as non-binary

Me too. I'd need to meet someone who could actually define and describe 'binary' in order to be able to identify as 'not binary'.

I’m female but I’m a lesbian, tend to wear more masculine clothes, have short hair, don’t like pink, never played with dolls, wouldn’t be seen dead with nail varnish on. Am the main earner and can change a tire.

So I guess that makes me trans now? Except I am very happy and comfortable being female and don’t think female = 100% feminine at all times like the trans ideology seems to portray.

It’s ridiculous. NO-ONE has the exact same gender identity as anyone else so there’s 3.6 million genders? Do we all have to have a unique identity to describe our exact traits?

Or we could just use something that is binary and non-changeable to identify people and make it simpler? How about sex based on the chromosomes you were born with? Novel idea!

• How about recognising that gender is a component of some people's identity but not everyone 's

They'd have to define it first.*

Why would they have to define it? Couldn't their definition be whatever they want it to be?

That Wiki entry makes everything so clear! It’s a marvellous explanation, brave and stunning.

Ideally, if I was being asked my gender on a questionnaire or form I would want the option of answering 'None' in just the same way as I answer 'None' when asked about my religion. It respects people who have a gender identity as well as those who reject or are disinterested in the concept, in the same way as the religion question does.

I couldn't give a shit about what Wikipedia says.

it's the difference between viewing yourself as a heretic or an atheist?

Well, I'm definitely atheist!

Insofar as I can see, "gender identity" is a - what did Shon Faye call it? - a "shifting constellation" of utter bollocks according to what suits the argument at the time - could be a soul, could be a personality, could be sex stereotypes, could be a state of mind. Could be an amalgam of all of these if the spurious argument is being shown up as spurious. Non binary seems to be the synthesis of the lost argument to me, frankly.

Why would they have to define it? Couldn't their definition be whatever they want it to be?

No, words cannot mean whatever someone wants them to mean.

Otherwise, I could declare that, for me, gender means my need to keep weasels in my flat, and I know I have this gender because I keep it in a gender-identity jar in the refrigerator. I could declare damn near anything. I could declare that my gender identity is Russian (minks in the flat, not weasels) and declare that not using Russian while speaking to me is mis-gendering, while my workplace’s failure to provide me Russian-gendered vodka is discriminatory.

If gender can mean anything, it means nothing.

Which is, actually, exactly where we are.

I think that's probably the most convoluted description of something I've ever seen. It would take many posts to unravel each and every one of the sentences in that description.

Non-binary, or genderqueer, is a spectrum of gender identities that are not exclusively masculine or feminine‍—identities that are outside the gender binary.
So it's a gender binary? So non-binary is not a gender, then, after all?

Non-binary identities can fall under the transgender umbrella, since many non-binary people identify with a gender that is different from their assigned sex
Hmm, so falling outside the gender binary as well as different from their "assigned" (sic) sex. But how could they have been assigned "non-binary sex", as such a thing does not exist. Clearly talking about two different things ere without acknowleding it.

but does not necessarily, as some intersex people are also non-binary.
Are they claiming intersex to be a sex? And why would "some intersex people" be non-binary, I shouldn't think (that is, if you believe in 'non-binary') that would need to be the case (as is more or less implied).

Non-binary people may identify as having two or more genders (being bigender or trigender);
Eh, what?

having no gender (agender, nongendered, genderless, genderfree or neutrois); moving between genders or having a fluctuating gender identity (genderfluid); being third gender or other-gendered (a category that includes those who do not place a name to their gender).

Gender identity is separate from sexual or romantic orientation,
Oh, we're getting somewhere!

and non-binary people have a variety of sexual orientations, just as cisgender people do.
Is that an acknowledgement of sexual orientation having something to do with, well, sex?

A non-binary gender is not associated with a specific gender expression, such as androgyny.
Oh, that's a new one for me, androgyny as a gender expression.

Non-binary people as a group have a wide variety of gender expressions, and some may reject gender "identities" altogether.
Which, in conclusion, shows it up for the bull it is.