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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Transgender man gives birth to non-binary partner's baby with female sperm donor

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TheNameGames · 29/12/2019 10:36

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-man-gives-birth-non-21177808

Reuben adds: “I found it frustrating that people didn’t just ask my gender or not use it. I look like a man, have a beard.

Maybe the “giving birth” part rendered it pointless?

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HandsOffMyRights · 30/12/2019 08:18

In the end it came back to biology, with one sex producing sperm and one eggs to create another human being whose sex was observed at birth.

So the circle continues, as it has for millions of years.

FredaFrogspawn · 30/12/2019 09:23

The Mirror knows exactly what it’s doing here. The twitter response to the article is just what it is chasing and the report does no favours whatsoever to the message of trans ideology.

TheABC · 30/12/2019 10:02

So...bearded human sexed-female appropriates the title "father" in pursuit of gender fluidity.

It's going to be interesting to hear how they live as a man, dealing with leaky boobs, afterbirth and a crying infant. I suspect by week 12 they will be too tired to give a damn. Babies are like a hand grenade in that respect.

MangoesAreMyFavourite · 30/12/2019 10:13

The 39-year-old transitioned to a man 12 years ago.

Wasn't successful was it!! They reverted to female type. Maybe dad should sue the doctor presiding over the transition!

MangoesAreMyFavourite · 30/12/2019 10:19

But seriously, this is a lesbian couple in old money, right?

Elementalillusions · 30/12/2019 10:32

I don’t think pregnancy is the ultimate female experience, therefore it didn’t challenge me as a man.

I have no words.

DeeZastris · 30/12/2019 11:10

If I saw them out and about and I would just assume they were a lesbian couple. (With a cute a baby)

Aaarrgghhh · 30/12/2019 12:11

On the positive side, at least we now have a definition of man. Man = human with beard!

I won’t lie, among all the anger that I have because of all this crap this actually upsets me. As in it makes me feel sad above everything else. I have PCOS, I have a lot of facial hair and sometimes I can’t be bothered tweezing so I brave it and go about my day. I’ve been feeling good about not always tweezing before I leave the house. I don’t have enough to resemble a beard but there’s enough there to be noticeable. How many idiots are going to think I want to be a man now because of stupidness like this? I have a condition that makes me hairy, I’m still a woman and because I may have a moustache and somewhat of a beard does not mean I am not a female. Genuinely upsetting because I feel I’m going to have to keep up with the plucking because I don’t want to be seen as a man when I’m simply a woman that has a condition.

QuantumEntanglement · 30/12/2019 12:32

You can, of course, describe it any way you want, but it’s still a biological female giving birth after being impregnated with sperm from a biological male just like haricot pulses simmered in a delicately seasoned tomato jus served over Artisan bread browned and crisped to optimal golden crunchiness is still beans on toast.

DickKerrLadies · 30/12/2019 13:02

I look like a man, have a beard.

How transphobic! Have they not heard the memo that some women have beards as well as a penis? Literal erasure.

Aaarrgghhh · 30/12/2019 13:05

DickKerrLadies

Good point. It’s embarrassing when people who are trans can’t even get it right. If having a beard makes you obviously a man then you’re right, it’s transphobic because of all the transwomen that do have beards and are still one hundred percent actual women. It shows how flawed it all is when they can’t even get it right themselves but expect others too.

CuckooCuckooClock · 30/12/2019 13:39

If beard = man then sorry Reuben but I beat you to it.
I had a baby nearly 10 years ago and I could grow a pretty thick beard if I wanted (all natural too - good genes I guess).

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 30/12/2019 14:16

Aaarrgghhh Flowers it’s a good illustration how how regressive the gender crap is. everyone is getting pushed further into a box unless they declare themselves —super super special— non binary

Gingerkittykat · 30/12/2019 17:11

Even Blair White calls this peak 2019 article.

SetYourselfOnFire · 30/12/2019 23:42

Oh, the partner is a woman too. It pains me that lesbians are doing this to themselves and being socially applauded for internalized homophobia.

Icanflyhigh · 30/12/2019 23:48

And the world shows how well and truly it is fucked up Biscuit

GirlDownUnder · 31/12/2019 00:31

Even Blair White calls this peak 2019 article.

Unrelated, but from that twitter feed - let’s hope 2020 brings back some sense Xmas Smile

Transgender man gives birth to non-binary partner's baby with female sperm donor
JanesKettle · 31/12/2019 01:05

I have a condition that makes me hairy, I’m still a woman and because I may have a moustache and somewhat of a beard does not mean I am not a female

I'm so sorry if my flippant comment upset you. I can understand how you feel, and you're right, it's not OK. Women with PCOS are women.

CranberriesChoccy · 31/12/2019 07:23

Do they actually think anyone with a rudimentary understanding of biology will suddenly be convinced that a woman has donated sperm to help a man have a baby?

All it does is confirm that this movement is full of narcissistic fantasists. Poor child.

ChattyLion · 31/12/2019 09:39

Well by the definition quoted in that article, turns out I’ve been quite wrong after all these years then. Humans do change sex quite naturally and gradually, for example with puberty and with the menopause. My chin and upper lip is proof!

Little did I know but I’ve been transitioning my sex back and forth for years now. I was definitely a girl child but then since puberty I’ve always had a bit of a ‘tache, so as a man I had those miracle babies, that was probably a worlds first (but hey who’s counting there’ve been a lot of those firsts reported Hmm). Then post-kids and what with balancing childcare with the job and whatever, I think my moustache was just too tired to grow back. so I guess I was a proper woman then.

However now with the meno the tache and chin is stronger than ever before so I am fully male. I have to say I didn’t even notice how male I was getting till I got these new glasses!

I’ve press released all this fluctuating between the sexes to a few journalists with some quotes just in case they want to pop round for a quick ‘worlds first’ photoshoot. Not heard back yet but I’ve tidied up the living room just in case.

I haven’t yet told DH and the boys that every time they shave they become female, but I’ll run through that with them affirmingly and hopefully by the time the photographers arrive we can all be in the pics together as one big happy headline-grabbing family. Smile

I know not everyone would involve the media in these things but Christmas doesn’t pay for itself and that massive cheque from the extreme far right seems a bit slow in arriving..

Fairenuff · 31/12/2019 12:35

The person who gave birth seems very confused.

They said that they identified with being male. From all accounts, this is a very difficult, emotionally painful and even life-threatening condition to have. There is so much angst about being stuck with a body which was 'assigned to you at birth' that the only relief and salvation is to live your life as your 'true' self and in the opposite gender.

This is why people say that they need self ID. To avoid prolonged medical and mental health assessments. They say that they know who they are and they totally live their lives as their preferred gender.

Yet how can this person claim to 'live as a man' whilst doing the one thing that only women can do?

If you want to live as a man, do it. But don't try to cherry pick the parts of being female that you want to keep. Men don't live like that. Men don't gestate and give birth.

That's not living like a man. It's the opposite in fact.

Aaarrgghhh · 31/12/2019 14:04

JanesKettle

Oh goodness no, your comment was fine. I chuckled actually. I used it more as a bridge to my comment but I wasn’t offended at all. I’m made of tougher stuff than that lol

Aaarrgghhh · 31/12/2019 14:07

ChattyLion That was brilliant. Really made me laugh, love it.

TheNameGames · 31/12/2019 14:17

Spit on Fairenuff

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TheNameGames · 31/12/2019 14:18

SPOT on, not spit on, lol!

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