Transgender man gives birth to non-binary partner's baby with female sperm donor

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www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/transgender-man-gives-birth-non-21177808

Reuben adds: “I found it frustrating that people didn’t just ask my gender or not use it. I look like a man, have a beard.

Maybe the “giving birth” part rendered it pointless?

The couple are confident their family situation will be seen as normal as the baby grows up surrounded by like-minded people in their home town of Brighton.

No further comment on that. Also, please feel pity for those of us who have the flu, for whom it's extra hard to parse the word salad.

Cute baby, hopefully the parents won't confuse him/her too much.

I was so relieved to learn that at least the mother had been off testosterone for 6 years so hopefully that will have greatly minimised any possible side effect of this powerful synthetic hormone on the mother’s ovum and on the pregnancy itself. I really didn’t feel comfortable with the fact that they obviously set out to use a transwoman’s Sperm and looked on Facebook FGS! Didn’t they have any healthy male friends in their circle so they could ascertain their health and lifestyle and get some ‘trusted’ sperm? I wonder whether the trans woman’s sperm was affected by taking oestrogen? I thought it would seriously reduce its motility and concentration? Maybe this trans woman was not on any hormones and just was a self-ID trans woman and only ‘presented’ as a woman? So many questions!

Seems like their desire to have the ultimate ‘trans’ baby over-rode everything else. Did they not want the baby ‘infected’ with any trace of ‘heteronormativity’ or ‘cisness’? The baby is adorable and I am sure it will be well loved by the pair of them and well looked after but the cognitive dissonance is utterly staggering. Do they really feel upset that no one in the pregnancy clinic accepted them as a man when they presented there PREGNANT? If I saw a pregnant bearded person at a pregnancy clinic I would think that’s a transman and I would make small talk about backache, ‘do you know what you’re having? (And that’s not an offensive question to ask because Jake and Hannah who are having their baby by a surrogate have announced their baby is a girl and they are THE trans power couple of the moment who make educational films about it!) I would side step and steer well clear of any talk of them perceiving themselves as a man though. Pregnancy is a big enough head fuck for most women at the best of times without having to accommodate this kind of linguistic distortion and gymnastics!

i'm confused. I keep it simple. Man=penis,woman =vagina.

I look like a man, have a beard.

Because god forbid that we should live in a society where people aren't categorised according to their ability to grow a beard.

I wonder if Reuben has heard of Alex Drummond?

If this child is loved they will be in a much better position than many children, but give or take a few decades and a few thousand miles, and the parents would be in exactly the same situation as any one else born female - lacking rights because of their biological sex.

Was this posted as a joke to see how many people can be annoyed in one go?

the baby grows up surrounded by like-minded people in their home town of Brighton.

Brighton. Of course.

They both look like women. What is wrong with simply being a lesbian couple and having a baby with a sperm donor which is essentially exactly what they have done.

I just hope the baby isn't manipulated into messing with their own body too when they are older.

And I did a fart.... Its not a miracle.

Confused by the headline.

So the transman who carried and gestated the baby wasn’t biologically related to it? The non-binary partner provided their egg, which was fertilised by a sperm donor then the transman had the embryo implanted and went through the pregnancy?

Oh and the sperm donor identified as female?

On the positive side, at least we now have a definition of man. Man = human with beard!

I think this type of headline is despicable, for a number of reasons, not least because it is using this couple and their baby as click bait. There's an immense amount of cynicism behind the choice to make money ('cos that's all clicks are) out of this couple.

I have no comment to make on the family themselves, other than I am glad their child was born healthy and happy, and that I support female same sex couples to raise a family.

I do not believe the sex-denialism on show is in the child's best interests, however.

Trans-sympathetic DS says 'they are complete idiots' - think he's had enough of it all.

And what frustrates me- if biological sex isn’t real then why did they need to seek a sperm donor? Why did creating a baby involve one ‘assigned male at birth’ to provide sperm and one ‘assigned female at birth’ to provide an egg and carry/gestate/give birth to the baby? Just a massive coincidence?

And why take testosterone to enhance your ‘male’ identity if being male is nothing to do with any kind of biology?

I’m happy for them and wish them the best. I agree that this isn’t news and it wasn’t particularly well written as an article either. I found some of the quotes hard to follow.

I’m happy for them and wish them the best. I agree that this isn’t news and it wasn’t particularly well written as an article either. I found some of the quotes hard to follow.

The quotes did make the article difficult to follow at times, I agree. And for example, are you happy for them or are you happy for them? Them as in the couple or them as in the non binary person?

Poor baby.

@june2007 it's not a joke although it would appear like one. It's more another attempt to normalise this insanity, I think.

I know the Guardian is a lost cause..

But The Metro has been actively pushing this agenda for yonks now and really is in a crass, I mean class, of its own. What is going on with them? (And when I say 'them' I mean the Metro, not a person more commonly known as 'she' or 'her' ).

The title of this thread gave me a headache so I’m not even going to read the story.

This will bug me internally forever.

If I didn't shave, tweeze wax etc, I'd probably have a bit of a beard by now (and a moustache and a mono brow for sure). And I'm not exactly old yet. That doesn't make me (or this woman) a bloke though.

If she wants to present in a stereotypically male manner (beard etc), more power to her, and she's as likely to be a fantastic parent as anyone else, but that doesn't change biology or genetics. A dna test, with the tester having no idea who's samples they're looking at, would conclude she was the childs mother?

I know it's not black and white, and I know it can't be easy. I think more valid research is needed, into why people think they're really the opposite sex.

If science can prove pink/blue brain theory (that a person can be born the wrong sex or in the wrong body), I'll be first to recant and apologise for my ignorance. Until then, I'm not buying into the current ideology. A pp was spot on with the emperor's new clothes comment.

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I meant I’m happy for them both, (well, happy for them all three) as a new family.
I’m finding it tricky from a SPAG pov.

JamesKettle: If Man=Human With Beard I suppose my menopausal stubble makes me non-binary?

If Man=Human With Beard I suppose my menopausal stubble makes me non-binary

Oh, def