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Jolyon Maugham lets slip

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EwwSprouts · 22/12/2019 16:53

In an attempt to show both sides of the GC / self-ID can be vile he takes offence at "Why is it so important to you that men are able to access our facilities? Is it personal?". Why? Because he says such a suggestion is equivalent to calling him a "pervert". So there you have it, agreement that men who want to be in female toilets tend to have a dubious sexual motivation.

twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1208394313006223360

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TinselAngel · 27/12/2019 15:54

The emphasis that it's a "Kimono", when anyone else would just say "dressing gown" is odd.

BickerinBrattle · 27/12/2019 15:57

Madame Butterfly

OldCrone · 27/12/2019 15:59

But really, most people in the country don't go round killing every potential nuisance the second they see it.

And if a farmer needs to kill a fox, they'll shoot it, not batter it to death with a baseball bat.

LangCleg · 27/12/2019 16:27

I live in a farming community. People do not bludgeon foxes to death with bats.

Also: where is the body?

lydiamajora · 27/12/2019 16:28

OldCrone - If you tell me to Google it, I will, but if someone has a good link or quick explanation of who gets to own what guns in the UK I would be grateful. I know how it is in the Wild West USA, but how likely is it for your average British chicken-owner to have a gun?

AutumnRose1 · 27/12/2019 16:29

Lang I hear the RSPCA recovered the body.

koshkat · 27/12/2019 16:29

I think I would be classed as an average chicke owner and would not dream of having a gun!

koshkat · 27/12/2019 16:29

chicken!

morningtoncrescent62 · 27/12/2019 16:34

I don't think it happened. It sounds fetishistic to me - Jo in his wife's kimono (not just any old dressing down) beating an animal to death, then getting off on broadcasting it. It seems to be a repeat fantasy, going by the November tweet.

If the story were true he'd have spent the next couple of hours digging a grave and burying the fox's body, then off out to the DIY store to buy some more netting to repair the coop. Not having a nice cup of coffee while catching up with social media.

RoyalCorgi · 27/12/2019 16:37

So which is worse - if he did beat it to death, or if he lied about beating it to death? I think it's probably worse if he actually did it. I think he did do it because it's such a peculiar story to make up otherwise.

I notice the other day he accused Maya Forstater and her supporters of being "moral absolutists". There's something pleasing somehow about a man who pours scorn on the idea of moral absolutism discovering that lots of people have morally absolute views on bludgeoning foxes to death.

I do feel sad for the fox, though.

OldCrone · 27/12/2019 16:37

lydiamajora The average chicken-owner who just keeps a few chickens to supply their family with eggs probably wouldn't have a gun, but many (most?) farmers have shotguns.

theflushedzebra · 27/12/2019 16:37

I think it did happen - it was reported that RSPCA visited him, and removed the fox's body Sad

Kantastic · 27/12/2019 16:58

I think it's probably worse if he actually did it.

That is definitely worse, because the earlier tweet demonstrates it's something he's thought about doing before. What kind of person publically imagines and then acts out a scenario like this?

plus, is getting a fox caught in your netting a normal thing to happen? How weird a coincidence is it for that to happen a month after him posting the other Tweet?... I'm going to stop even thinking about this now. I hope the story isn't real.

AutumnRose1 · 27/12/2019 17:06

if there was some kind of big reveal - I mean satire, spoof, not opening of kimonos - then that would be better, yes.

BettyFilous · 27/12/2019 17:24

lydiamajora Guns are very strictly controlled in the UK. My late father had a 12 bore shotgun for game shooting. You must hold a licence issued by the local police, which involves some degree of vetting/suitability check, and secure storage at home - an approved gun safe, properly secured. My father was visited at home periodically by police to check his gun safe and that his shotgun was still in his possession and properly secured.

lydiamajora · 27/12/2019 17:52

Thanks Betty, Crone, and koshkat. I live in a rural area and nearly everyone here has at least one hunting rifle or similar. That being said, a call to the proper organization to collect the stuck fox or an attempt to free it and scare it away would be the preferred course of action. Followed by an upgrade to the chicken run and coop, since it is easier to better protect your chickens than it is to wipe out all the predators in the area.

(Though here it tends to be raccoons rather than foxes, still can't imagine bludgeoning one to death)

BettyFilous · 27/12/2019 18:07

Here you go lydia

www.gov.uk/shotgun-and-firearm-certificates

lydiamajora · 27/12/2019 18:46

Excellent, thanks again Betty.

Tocopherol · 27/12/2019 18:56

Lydiamajora, he would probably have had just as much hassle if he'd shot this fox as the incident occurred in a central London garden!

It's not that normal to catch a fox in netting - surely most people know foxes can bite through it? And of it's loose enough to snag something that big it's loose enough to get under. Confused

SirVixofVixHall · 27/12/2019 19:05

Dogs can get paws caught in nylon netting, as can other animals, so I am assuming the fox was scrabbling to get away and became entrapped. Or it could have caught a paw in chicken wire mesh, as nylon netting is not at all suitable for protection from foxes, only to contain hens temporarily in one area of the garden. I would never use it as it can cause problems for wildlife. Anyway either of these things just needed snipping away to free the animal. I
He must have a very strange set up if he caught a fox like that, maybe he had set some kind of trap ?

OldCrone · 27/12/2019 19:07

Dogs can get paws caught in nylon netting, as can other animals, so I am assuming the fox was scrabbling to get away and became entrapped.

I wonder if he'd have done the same if it had been a dog he'd found there, or a cat.

SirVixofVixHall · 27/12/2019 19:10

Yes I did wonder that. A fox is so like a dog after all, what is he found a cat after his hens... a man who goes to the hen house armed with a baseball bat obviously intends to use it, as it is hardly a deterrent to an animal.

Tocopherol · 27/12/2019 19:13

He hasn't answered anyone on Twitter asking that.

FannyCann · 27/12/2019 19:32

lydiamajora you said you were in USA? I think these guys are in USA. Who needs a gun or a baseball bat?

Full marks for taking great personal risk to free the deer. Shows JollyTallyHo for the complete cowardly idiot he is.

Also, there really is something particularly horrible about bludgeoning an animal to death. A friend's farmer husband decided to put the guinea pig out of its misery (and save on a vet bill, very farmer behaviour) ...so he shot it with his shotgun. Suffice to say there wasn't much left to bury and he's lucky not to have been divorced. But I now feel he deserves a small vote in his favour for choosing a less visceral way of despatching it and not smashing it to pieces with a baseball bat.

lydiamajora · 27/12/2019 19:57

I have seen that video before, and yes! Talk about bravery and compassion! Those men could have easily been injured or worse by those stags, and instead they (very, very carefully) cut them loose.

And to Tocopherol, yup, shooting the fox wouldn't have been much better received, but I agree with FannyCann that beating an animal to death with a bat is exceptionally repugnant. It's an up-close and, indeed, visceral method of killing. Posting it on social media is beyond my understanding.

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