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Jolyon Maugham lets slip

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EwwSprouts · 22/12/2019 16:53

In an attempt to show both sides of the GC / self-ID can be vile he takes offence at "Why is it so important to you that men are able to access our facilities? Is it personal?". Why? Because he says such a suggestion is equivalent to calling him a "pervert". So there you have it, agreement that men who want to be in female toilets tend to have a dubious sexual motivation.

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koshkat · 27/12/2019 09:56

'Claire's kimono'...should have its own twitter account. The stories it coule tell.

koshkat · 27/12/2019 09:56

could

Tocopherol · 27/12/2019 10:00

His new thing is to campaign against the evils of factory farming. Factory farming is very cruel and environmentally damaging.
A worthy cause indeed.

Perhaps best not fronted by a person who cannot look after a few pet hens without needing to commit wildlife crime and joke about it after.

AutumnRose1 · 27/12/2019 10:01

Poor Rev Coles seems to be genuinely looking for a way to defend him

I too still wonder if it’s made up, mostly because as social media stories go, it’s just too perfect.

RoyalCorgi · 27/12/2019 10:17

I was thinking a lot about this last night when I was trying to go to sleep. And the more I thought about it, the more unhinged it seemed. It's not normal, is it? If I came across a fox caught in netting, I would want to free it. So would my other half. So would most normal people.

But Maugham had a baseball bat at the ready and seemed to relish the opportunity to use it. I think very few of us would have the stomach to kill an animal at close quarters like that. What's more, he didn't realise that this would be considered disturbing behaviour by other people, hence putting it on Twitter.

So there's something not quite right there.

As for his supposed high intelligence, I dare say he's a very capable tax lawyer, but the arguments he deploys in the gender debate are infantile. Put him up against Jane Clare Jones, Kathleen Stock or Julie Bindel and they would wipe the floor with him.

AutumnRose1 · 27/12/2019 10:20

RoyalCorgi But the arguments have "won" against Maya.

DanaPhoenix · 27/12/2019 10:23

What a shitty thing to do. I'm in Sydney (albeit close to bushland) on morning on our top deck I swear I saw a fox stalking around only to run to what could best be described as perhaps a rocky den. I've plenty of baseball bats on hand as DS2 plays but for some strange reason I managed to resist the urge to rush out and beat it to death.

Although later in the morning I did knock on my neighbours door to give them a heads up as their kitty is prone to roam. I never did see it again, if I had I would have contacted animal control as they are a pest here and a threat to both domestic pets and native animals.

As an aside netting as a protection isn't ideal as a different neighbour was protecting their passion fruit vine with it and a flying fox got trapped. We did our best to free it once we noticed but unfortunately we're too late. Very distressing particularly for my boys.

RuffleCrow · 27/12/2019 10:25

Well, if the cap fits...

Justhadathought · 27/12/2019 10:31

What's more, he didn't realise that this would be considered disturbing behaviour by other people, hence putting it on Twitter

Yes, I've been considering this too....... and came to the conclusion that he has never really questioned mainstream narrative at all....
That he is now doubling down on defending his horrendous actions, rather than the shock of what he did necessitating a pause for reflection.

The fox was doing what came naturally to it. In spite of heroic masculine ideas about clubbing animals to death....human beings around the world are mainly vegetarian - surviving on a diet of fruit, grains , nuts and seeds........clubbing animals to death is not an instinctive programme.

Justhadathought · 27/12/2019 10:44

Couldn't he have shooed it away like everyone else does? Seems overly dramatic. What's his record on fox hunting? I'm expecting something wildly hypocritical

He said he 'dispatched' the creature...that's the sort of language which is employed to distance oneself from the brutal reality of one's actions.

Justhadathought · 27/12/2019 10:48

probably wild with terror, possibly injured and be despatched it. I don’t think he was intending to boast - I think he was saying ‘ugh - what a weird start to the day

"Dispatching" implies a clinical act. Beating an animal to death with a baseball bat is not a very clinical act. It would certainly have taken many blows.......

Beamur · 27/12/2019 10:55

This is just weird, creepy and inappropriate on many levels. Serious lack of judgement.

YellaHumberElla · 27/12/2019 10:56

There once was a lawyer of tax
Whose judgement of gender was lax
He dispatched with a bat
A poor fox, what a prat
But said Joly, in a Kimono, it’s Pro Bono

SirVixofVixHall · 27/12/2019 11:01

The fox probably got caught trying to get away from him.
He should have decent quality, rigid weld mesh for his run, as plastic/nylon netting is a tangle hazard to all wildlife, (hedgehogs in particular). If he has wire netting, then a scrabbling fox might catch a paw, he could have snipped the wire and released the animal, or gone to get help. He had a baseball bat with him, not for the first time. He had a baseball bat because he wanted to batter the fox.

I have chickens, I also have foxes who come into my garden. I have a very strong weld mesh run. I have had hens taken when free ranging in the garden, I consider that to be my fault entirely. It has never occurred to me to charge after the fox with a baseball bat, probably because I am not a heartless , bloodthirsty maniac.

Uncompromisingwoman · 27/12/2019 13:48

See he's hit the BBC main news. Couldn't happen to a more deserving specimen.

koshkat · 27/12/2019 14:10

I cannot help but think that he WANTED this attention for some reason.

Michelleoftheresistance · 27/12/2019 14:47

I recommend reading The Psychopath Test by Jon Ronson. Explains a very great deal.

Women here have said for a long time that the transgender narrative provides a very useful outlet for a certain type of male to freely indulge in behaviours not usually tolerated. The fox appears to have provided a similar outlet.

Tocopherol · 27/12/2019 14:58

There are a number of commenters on Twitter trying to make out this is 'normal' behaviour in the countryside, as if this is a townies vs countryfolk (folx?) thing.
But really, most people in the country don't go round killing every potential nuisance the second they see it. Even most people who go shooting or don't like wildlife aren't just waiting to bash any old creature's head in. That's not normal anymore! Bizarre how he thought this would be acceptable because he has a few chickens Hmm
And he won't answer people asking what his plan for a tangled cat or dog (or hen) was. Cats and dogs both being more of a hassle than a fox.

Kantastic · 27/12/2019 15:19

Ha, to think I was annoyed when this man went all TRA on us. Thank goodness he did! If he'd still been making vaguely GC-supportive noises, then "beating foxes to death with baseball bats" would have been added to the list of crimes that all TERFs everywhere do within a few hours of that tweet.

And there is something about that story, it reads like one of the masturbatory fantasies that pre-trans AGPs sometimes write where I just HAD to wear ladies' underwear for [contrived reason] and I got caught wearing the underwear for [other contrived reason] and oh my goodness me, wasn't my face so red! I don't know exactly what Maugham got out of posting that but it's fascinating and disturbing that women's clothing is one of the components. It's making me thinking of those old studies on imprisoned sex offenders which demonstrate that "transvestism" often occurs alongside other deeply disturbing paraphilias.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 27/12/2019 15:21

'If he'd still been making vaguely GC-supportive noises, then "beating foxes to death with baseball bats" would have been added to the list of crimes that all TERFs everywhere do within a few hours of that tweet.'

Ha ha, that's so true.

Also bang on re the fantasy tone of the kimono tweets.

RoyalCorgi · 27/12/2019 15:23

Good point, Kantastic.

I also can't help thinking of the number of times TRAs have posted pictures of themselves wielding baseball bats with messages about "killing Terfs" on them, and nobody seems bothered about that.

SirVixofVixHall · 27/12/2019 15:36

I live in a rural village, baseball-battering wildlife is not something that would be considered normal behaviour here, or anywhere really.
He seems a very angry man, whose anger swiftly tips into something genuinely frightening.

Dapplegrey · 27/12/2019 15:51

I do wonder whether it's a lie,

Hmm.....well if it is then what else has he lied about?
Also, true or false, he’s supposed to be so brainy so why didn’t he realise the furore that would erupt when he tweeted about it.

koshkat · 27/12/2019 15:53

Kimono Jo has a few issues that's for sure. Poor Claire.