Maya lost - can it be true?

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I'm not saying it is true - Twitter isn't known for being wedded to truth...anyone able to shed light? I thought the verdict wasn't due for a while...

twitter.com/boysvswomen/status/1207379435684585474

Come on Douglas Murray. Do your brilliant stuff.

The papers aren't communicating the issue effectively atm. Hopefully the Times will cover it properly.
Gregor Murray's photo says more than a thousand words.

Purported I've actually seen old news on a few paper sites this morning.

whether or not it's just "holding" space for after the Queen's speech, I don't know. But tbh I think most papers won't want to report it.

The papers aren't communicating the issue effectively atm

I think it may come to this: a mass of women identifying out of oppression and into privilege by saying the magic words.

Making men in public, in court, on official documentation refer to their wives as husbands and girlfriends as boyfriends? That sort of thing?

Presumably there will be a knock on effect on birth registrations. How can they know what a newborn's sex is?

Maybe it could be the parents' stated belief before the child has a chance to state their own.

It's occurred to me this morning, to wonder whether trans widows could be sacked for refusing to believe our husbands / ex husbands are women, and the implications of this for coercive control.

Yes, absolutely.

Don't even need to wait for self ID do we? After all, we can't be challenged by anyone asking to see a GRC...... Because that is a complete denial of out existence.

Datun The problem is that when women do something like that, it's just 'feminism gone mad' and no one wants to find out why women are protesting.
When men do it, it becomes a matter of human dignity.

The lack of intellectual curiosity around this issue is depressing.

ThePurported

Oh yes, I agree. Women have to go above and behind to make a barely perceptible dent.

This judgement would be picked apart and skewered in a basic philosophy class, let alone a court of appeal.

Right now, I am furious. However, if there is an appeal I will contribute and hope the sunlight will have a salutary effect.

I think it may have been a better tactic to argue it based on fact.

Strange as it seems, I don't think that was an option, legally.

"It's occurred to me this morning, to wonder whether trans widows could be sacked for refusing to believe our husbands / ex husbands are women, and the implications of this for coercive control."

I dont understand why trans women who have pretended to be men for the purposes of marriage are not being charged with rape if the marriage was consumated.

There are several cases of gender fraud where people who were assigned female at birth have gone to prison for rape/sexual assault for pretending that they were men, why are people who were male assigned at birth exempt from this?

I dont understand why trans women who have pretended to be men for the purposes of marriage are not being charged with rape if the marriage was consumated.

They haven't pretended to be men though. They are men legally at the time of the marriage, even if they subsequently get a GRC.

I'll not talk about biologically because I don't want to be deleted.

Also my ex didn't rape me. I loved the man I married and had a child with him. My child was absolutely not conceived through rape.

Tinsel

Really hoping Spiked will go to town on this. As well as Janice Turner and James Kirkup.

Yeah I agree that fact was not an argument that would have won here. The argument Maya made was that, regardless of the fact that her words insulted trans people, she should be permitted to say them because they formed part of a belief she held. I don’t think truth/fact is something that the law recognises as a defence to another person’s claim of discrimination.

So pleased to see #IStandWithMaya trending on Twitter.

Apologies if this has already been posted. Only just fired up the computer!

Front page of the Daily Telegraph

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/12/18/test-case-rules-against-tax-expert-sacked-transgender-tweet/

NotTerf I’m not sure it is trending

If I change my trends so they’re non personalised, then it isn’t there.

I think this leaves wide open a case for us as women, en masse, to take a case to court for the establishment of 'woman'.

We can debate how we each 'woman', and how harmful gender stereotypes are to our lives, relationships and careers.

Agreeing with you notbad

How many women could we squeeze into court, women, for women to make the case for women.

I think it is, Autumn. I can see it with both Twitter accounts, one of which steers totally clear of GC stuff. It does come lower down the list for that account though.

Boom JK Rowling is standing with her