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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

12 year old to start puberty blockers

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PreseaCombatir · 10/12/2019 11:58

This child thinks they’ll be able to have a womb transplant to have a baby when they get older. It seems so cruel to lie to a child like this. link here

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littlbrowndog · 10/12/2019 12:07

God

Can’t drive drink get a tattoo

But can be given untested drugs on children

How have we got here
And how is this child in the press
What if they change their mind.

OhHolyJesus · 10/12/2019 12:10

Well I hope the doctors teacher and parents have the guts to tell this child why that won't be possible or won't work.

Making a human baby is not a baby in a bag situation. The male body hasn't got the right equipment to grow a baby but by all means let this child live a lie and be deeply depressed when they learn the truth.

If scientist ever got this past the ethics board to even try it the number of embryos or foetuses that will die just because someone wanted to play god and give it a try should bring national media attention and put ever more focus on why this is a bad idea.

Clymene · 10/12/2019 12:17

It seems like a race to be the youngest to get blockers :(

DodoPatrol · 10/12/2019 12:20

And they 'couldn't fault' the school for letting this small male child use the girls' toilets.

What about the girls? Could they 'fault the school' for this, and be heard, and genuinely listened to?

I have a child who struggles immensely with life and would like more adjustments than are available. I am not unsympathetic to this kid.

But over and over, we have heard, 'We can't do that because of the effects on the other children/ what would the other children think/but the others enjoy it/ he'll have to get used to real life where people don't allow for this sort of thing.' [meaning disability]

Generally these were changes that might mildly miff another student or affect their enjoyment of something non-essential, but they were ruled out in case it upset the others.

But girls' need for an actual single-sex loo? Tchah.

Ibloodylovewomen · 10/12/2019 12:22

I wonder how these cases would turn out if parents were very clear from a very early age that clothes, make up, hobbies do not make us male or female Sad. That if you want to wear princess dresses that is absolutely fine. It doesn't mean you have to have your penis removed.

ThePurported · 10/12/2019 12:24

Didn't they discuss womb transplants at some WPATH conference? I remember reading a paper that suggested harvesting wombs from girls who want to transition.
Of course it's completely bonkers, but there seem to be plenty of medical professionals who would give it a go. And once WPATH starts recommending research in this area, it will soon become 'best practice'.
If you accept the 'born in the wrong body' theory, it's difficult to argue against this madness.

ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 10/12/2019 12:35

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2BthatUnnoticed · 10/12/2019 12:39

If this child feels certain they want to be a biological parent (as it sounds) how can they prescribe puberty blockers? It means they can never have biological children.

DodoPatrol · 10/12/2019 12:39

Oh god, how would boy-hips cope with a growing uterus? Surely the cross-sex hormones can't realign your pelvic angle? Nearly wrecked mine and I'm female.

2BthatUnnoticed · 10/12/2019 12:43

Uterus transplant into a male-born body is a risky pipe dream for now - I’m not sure it will become viable during this child’s lifetime (or ever).

TheProdigalKittensReturn · 10/12/2019 12:48

Surely any time a child is expressing hatred and rejection towards their own genitalia an assessment to see if they've been abused should be the first step. How is it that the moment someone says "trans" the entire medical profession throws everything they know about child development and child psychology out the window?

HandsOffMyRights · 10/12/2019 12:58

How dare parents complain when a boy gets special privileges to use the girls' toilets.
The bigots.

This child has been spun a fairytale by adults who should have safeguarded a minor. Has anybody got the decency to tell Ash the truth?

Downwind · 10/12/2019 13:04

Would be interesting to know the family dynamics.
The mother has 7 children. Was Ash one of the younger ones and the older ones used him as a dressing up doll? Or perhaps this is one way to stand out in a family of seven kids. Would be interesting to know if family dynamics play a part in body dysphoria.

stillathing · 10/12/2019 13:09

"When Ash was Ashton, she was invited to all the kids' parties, even though she used to turn up in a princess dress," Terry explains. "The parents didn't mind then. But as soon as I let her be Ashley all the time, for a whole year she didn't get invited to one party. The kids were fine; it's not the children, kids play with anybody. It's not until an adult comes in and says you shouldn't do that then it changes."

Blimey. So the other parents were what used to be described as liberal and open minded. They were completely happy to include the boy in the dress, but apprehensive about including the boy who'd been told that stereotypes had magicked him into a girl. And the mum really can't understand why. I guess like many who buy into trans ideology she must have believed every other kid at that school to be "cis" and totally stereotypical.

I can't believe she plastered her deeply anxious child across a newspaper. I kind of feel bad for even commenting and drawing possibly more attention. But then I think that the more this is brought into the light, the greater the good for other vulnerable non conforming children.

Clymene · 10/12/2019 13:10

Surely the Tavistock have told Ash the truth - that there's no way he's going to get a uterus transplant and have a baby?

I see the school has been comprehensively advised by Stonewall: www.vikingacademytrust.com/attachments/download.asp?file=77&type=pdf

"The Trust will respect all pupils’ right to privacy and will not disclose a pupil’s trans* status at school to any other pupils, staff members or third parties. "

So school trips with overnights and the other parents and children are not told that Ashley who their children are sharing a room with is a male child? Shock

Where's the safeguarding? Where's the impact assessment?

Clymene · 10/12/2019 13:11

The Mail has picked this up so Ash's right to privacy (no matter what the school policy says) is no more

AlecTrevelyan006 · 10/12/2019 13:15

A sad tale

Mrskeats · 10/12/2019 13:19

My 16 year old DSD is on testosterone.
She will now be infertile and has to have a bone scan because of worries about bone density. It is madness.
My Dh is at a therapy session as we speak as he is struggling to cope.

stillathing · 10/12/2019 13:19

Upsetting things I've told my own non conforming child over the years:

  • Granny is dead.

  • We can't afford our own space ship right now.

  • The dog is dead.

  • You are too young to be on you tube.

  • You can't eat the advent calendar all in one go.

  • You're a boy, and you will grow into a man. You can be a daddy to a baby one day but you won't ever be pregnant with a baby inside you.

This is life! You work through disappointment and sad feelings together. Boundaries provide security to children.

Moomin8 · 10/12/2019 13:21

I find it really unacceptable that children as young as this are allowed to have crucial body parts removed, which for one thing stops the possibility of ever being able to have sexual relationships which are a normal part of being human.

Mrskeats · 10/12/2019 13:22

Agreed moomin they do not understand about sexual function

HairyPotter · 10/12/2019 13:34

Unsurprisingly the primary school has other trans pupils as well. What are the chances?...

Thescrewinthetuna · 10/12/2019 13:41

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FamilyOfAliens · 10/12/2019 13:48

Mrskeats

Flowers
Mrskeats · 10/12/2019 13:50

Thanks family
The stress on the family has been incredible