Pro Remain GC feminists - who are you voting for?

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Just that. I feel like the only option available to me is spoiling my ballot which is clearly a terrible waste.

Sorry, it’s fanciful to think that self ID is reversible. Technically, sure. Practically, realistically, no way. When those rights are gone, they are gone. Personally I also think that it is fanciful to think that Brexit can be reversed. I also think it’s undemocratic. If my side had won the referendum I’d be outraged at attempts to overturn the result. I’m hearing a lot of what boils down to nothing but tribal hatred of the Tories. For me that’s not enough to support a party that has expressly, cynically, absolutely thrown women under the bus.

At last Icantreach yes! It is my choice, my decision.

As it happens I am leaning towards doing exactly what you advocate - voting tactically to keep out the Lib Dems. You would have realised this if you'd taken the trouble to read my earlier posts. It's really quite amusing how you cannot stop lecturing us and patronising us. Yes I'm using the word again. If I were trying to persuade people how to vote, what I would be doing at this stage is listening very hard to people's concerns and reporting back, not writing long homilies. Sterling work.

Seriously pretzel, where I live has returned a labour MP with a huge majority in every election since the middle of last century (except for a short SDP blip in the 1980's). It's also a strong remain area so there isn't going to be any big swing to the tories or brexit party.

That site you posted is very helpful for finding out how safe your constituency is. For anybody who's not sure what to do this is helpful information.

If I vote labour, lib dem or green they'll just count my vote and think they have my support and it will make fuck all difference to the result anyway.

So no, I won't be doing that, I'll be turning up and expressing my displeasure with all of them. I can't think of a more powerful way of using my vote in a constituency as safe as this one.

Apparently my area is a competitive labour/Conservative seat.

Thought it was a safe Labour one. Especiallu given out Labour MP has been there for 20 years or so!

I considered spoiling, but then I would feel responsible when the Toris chopped more of my lifeline away. I am disabled, and the stress I have been through, with being cured of an incurabe illness in a 15 min appointment then waiting a year and a half for a tribunal..alng with many other issues..I really need the Tories gone.

I disagree with Corbyn on a fair few issues, including self ID. I hope there are enough GC women in the party to stave off any quick changes that would be made to the GRC process, probably under the radar too as thats whats recomended.

Hoestly though, this election feels like chosing whether you prefer to contract gonnorhoea or syphilis. Theres not really a 'good' option for me. I wish I believed Labours money tree plan, but I don't believe enough extra tax could be raised for all their plans. I do think the NHS is safer in their hands though, another very important issue to me.

Sooo...

I've previously campaigned for the Lib Dems and am still in their Facebook groups.

This is coming up on the doorsteps repeatedly apparently 😁

The FB admins used to shut down any mention of trans issues instantly cause #nodebate, but they're starting to have to let them run for a bit. 😁

There was a thread yesterday about pesky women 'resisting the concept of sex changes' and I'd say about 1/2 of commenters had no idea about our self id policy, 1/3 were leaning towards gc, and only a minority were full-on wokebeard TWAW.

I wouldn't say the lib dems are a lost cause yet, there are actually some quite sensible people lurking in there.
Sadly not reflected in our leader or manifesto, but I have hope for the future.
The distant future maybe

Sorry, it’s fanciful to think that self ID is reversible. Technically, sure. Practically, realistically, no way. When those rights are gone, they are gone.

No, it will absolutely be reversible. Because there will still be two sexes whatever the law says. That is reality and you can only deny reality for so long.

Of course there will still be 2 sexes. But that’s meaningless when one has complete power. The way we exert power is by voting, women’s vote will now be meaningless because anyone can be a woman. Not having honest reports about women voting for women’s issues takes any meaningful voice and creates confusion among other women about women’s issues, how other women feel etc so effects how we come together to find ways of getting our points across. In addition it makes the Overton window jump massively away from women’s lib to women’s erasure (although it will be called equality).

In addition it makes the Overton window jump massively away from women’s lib to women’s erasure (although it will be called equality).

The Conservatives have already done a huge amount to shift the Overton window.

I am spoiling. Partly due to brexit, partly due to women's rights but mostly to tell the parties that none of them deserve my vote. I have been increasingly horrified by what we've seen from politicians over the past three and a half years and my vote is worth too much to give to any of them.

I don't think I can vote for any of them. Between Brexit/US deals and Self ID - there is nobody to represent my interests on two majorly important things. I'm finding it really distressing.

If someone said to me you choose, Corbyn or Boris - I honestly don't know who I'd pick.

Normally it would be Labour, no contest. I cheered when Jeremy did so much better in the 2017 GE - but a lot's happened since then. I think he'd be a disastrous PM, for many reasons, not just self ID.

But then Boris is disastrous too.

How do you choose - when each of the choices is allowing something you find an absolute assault to your freedoms and rights and well-being? Both brexit and self ID are this.

I have no voice in this, even though it fundamentally affects me (I live in an EU country because my husband has a British passport), but am just astonished that anyone can look around at the UK now and say 'this, let's have more of this', and vote Tory. They are so fundamentally flawed, loaded with 'born to rule' trash like Johnson, that I cannot understand how they have managed to captivate so many people who they in no way represent.
I saw a video of a conservative candidate suggesting those who needed to use food banks should learn to manage their money better, and take out payday loans. Utterly oblivious, and absolutely representative of that party as a whole.

I don't think there are many tory voters on this board Strange.

For most of us here the dilemma is not 'do I vote tory?' It's 'do I vote labour / lib dem / green or do I spoil my vote?'

Oh I can understand it, it's just about the only good thing about being no longer eligible to vote anywhere, I truly would not want to have to make a choice amongst this unbelievable shitshow.
There have been a couple of people saying tey either have voted or will vote Conservative, though, and I absolutely don't understand it. What on earth do they have to recommend themselves - and the point about page 48 of the manifesto, where they plan on putting themselves above all scrutiny, is true.

I agree with VMisaMarshmallow ‘s post of page six.
Preserving single sex provision, and women as a sex class, is crucial. Once lost, we will never regain it.

Yes, the page 48 thing almost swings me back to Labour - because what are women's rights in a dictatorship?

Not that it will make much difference, I live in a tory safe seat.

Bloody hell. It's all such a nightmare - like a backlash against civil rights. We're heading towards some sort of horrific dystopia.

I'm doing the worst of all worlds. I'm in a straight Lib Dem/Tory fight. I don't believe we should revoke, I think it's a bad idea. I am also furious with the Lib Dem capitulation to TRA nonsense, though it actually does fit with one guiding principle of liberalism - individualism at all costs, nothing collective - while shitting all over the 'your right to swing your arm ends at my nose' side.

And this government is such a collection of actual criminals and fraudsters that I am voting Lib Dem. I want to vomit.

I talked to the Conservative candidate who sounds OK from a personal point of view - very Anna Soubry, breezy pro-business type, voted Remain but has gone pragmatic Leave since - and he is happy to uphold sex based rights (though only from a 'safety' point of view, which will soon get him shredded when the TRAs get to him, he doesn't analyse women's need for liberation or women's oppression as a class). He also said that 'this issue is being raised with me a lot'.

And I'm still voting for the Lib Dems because I cannot, cannot vote Tory. That's how I've resolved it in my mind. Sort of. I hate them all and I hate myself.

Yeah the ridiculous 'they should just get a payday loan' guy when talking about UC victims who need foodbanks..is utterly stupid. Payday loans aren't the answer to anything and would definitely leave someone short in the future..would likely start a chain reaction of different company loans to pay off last one..until the dominoes all fall and the person is in a LOT of debt.

Payday loan are only really an ok idea for those borrowing a little bit of their wages, and willing to pay back 200% or whatever for the privelage of getting the loan. Not people who are borrowing their entire paychecks.

After reading so many of these I feel lucky I could choose to spoil or not as it's such a safe labour seat.

I do feel for those in libdem/ Tory areas.

OK, so for those voting Lib Dem, let’s say they get in. What’s the next step to protect women’s rights? I feel like we’re just about holding on with our finger tips at the moment, despite having every last one of the good arguments. The Lib Dems get in, with their manifesto as written, while everyone is totally preoccupied with Brexit, what then? Remembering that the no-platforming so beloved of the TRAs is a creature of the liberal left...what path is open to us?

My area is a close shave between Lab and Con.
i voted remain, but feel democratically I should support the result.
My Conservative candidate has listened to my views on self id. My Labour candidate would not listen, didn’t grasp the problems, and was pretty rude to me.
I detest creepy Corbyn, ( and the culty Bromentum). I really can’t vote for him. I am totally stuck. I feel I might have to vote Tory to stop self id, and that if Labour do badly then it might force a shift in the party, so that there will be a far better option in the future. Am mulling over Tory, Plaid, and spoiling my ballot paper. 😟

The local Labour MP has helped me personally in a way that makes me think she's willing to at least think about the GC issues and we're in a marginal with Tory so I will be voting for her.
We have a GC MEP (different party), I'm annoyed she isn't standing for Westminster but realistically I couldn't vote for her in our seat so it's probably just as well.
I actually reckon the issue of self ID is less permanent than Brexit as legally becoming a woman could not really last long term and in all situations - so many people have peak transed already. It seems to be wobbling some places now.

Self I'd is happening already.

The way I see it we're going to have it anyway regardless of whoever wins. And there are many other policies that negatively affect women. I'll be voting labour.

"My Conservative candidate has listened to my views on self id. My Labour candidate would not listen, didn’t grasp the problems, and was pretty rude to me."

I can understand why you'd vote for the Tory candidate in this case (and I would never in a million years vote Tory).

What I don't understand is why you (and others) say that you hate Jeremy Corbyn, but fail to mention Boris Johnson. I mean, I'm not a huge fan of Jeremy Corbyn, but... this is the equivalent of nitpicking about Hillary Clinton when Donald Trump is about to win.

I just don't get it.

StandUpStraight I think I'd be tempted to join them and work from the inside out.

What will happen is everyone previously oblivious will fucking outraged, it will shine sunlight on all the issues and safeguarding malpractice.

Neurotrash then I would wish all power to your elbow. The sunlight is getting in at the moment. I am just desperate that the election not spell the end of that.

Eurgh, this is just awful. All of it. Not feeling the Christmas spirit so much this year.