Woman's Hour Jo Swinson Now - 6th Dec

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Andrea Catherwood (?) interviewing and being quite tigerish. Seems to be in a mood to take no shit.

....Jo Swindon

Stuck on a Magic Roundabout?

I wondered if she was going to include "angry women", can't remember which transactivist had that in the list, think it was Jane Fae but may not have been

I think it was some nonentity Nick Ferrari interviewed together with Dr Julia Long. That was a good listen!

TimeLady,
Thank you for posting the link. I had a look at the list of members but didn’t read much beyond that. Was this committe’s aim to promote the trans agenda? At whose instigation was this committee formed? Who selected its members? What were its activities? This was under a Conservative government too. It’s bloody unbelievable

2Rebecca It was Vicky Leigh (Lee?) on Nick Ferrari last year. Julia Long was on and they were talking about stickers and single sex spaces. There was a thread about it at the time.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/a3342195-Dr-Julia-Long-has-just-been-brilliant-on-LBC

soundcloud.com/anne-ruzylo/julia-long-on-lbc-21-08-18

Sorry to derail, but I've just listened to the above exchange again and it did make me smile. Julia was ace

Also from yesterday's email

(Also, please note that the Committee is separate from the Government.)

I don't think you can blame the Government of the day for this - this is one of a series of Parliamentary committees set up by MPs not ministers, to independently hold Government departments to account.

www.parliament.uk/about/how/committees/select/

Agree mad list with the women who just happen to be male casually thrown in. Great exchange.

Shoesa - Julia is amazing on that interview Again, she speaks plain truth - and it's powerful.

All prompted by Stickerwoman that interview.

The Committee was set up in July 2015; the first trans representations were taken just two months later (and the HoC closes for August, remember).That suggests some serious preparatory work and extensive lobbying beforehand.

It's all set out in those minutes. The Committee will have recommended a consultation. What was the Government department supposed to do? Refuse?

It was supposed to be an all party fait accompli by the looks of it, but then those pesky women started complaining......

I have to say these radio interviews are helpful. Hearing the voice alone helps emphasise things a bit I think. Doesnt matter if they are sat in the studio in a dress with their hair done. They cant rely on a performance. It's just them talking

The Committee was set up in July 2015; the first trans representations were taken just two months later (and the HoC closes for August, remember).That suggests some serious preparatory work and extensive lobbying beforehand

TimeLady,
That’s very interesting. This lobby group are well organized and very strategic. But I don’t understand how they have been able to advance this agenda without vocal opposition. Why do they always seem to find such fertile ground for their niche agenda? Who is bankrolling all this?

I have a fairly moderate position on this as I DO think it right and proper to protect vulnerable transpeople even if I sincerely hope as we tack gender stereotypes and societal pressure the need for medicalising this is reduced significantly. However I thought Emma made a very helpful distinction between vulnerable trans people the law would intend to protect and predators who take advantage of said law. I didn’t feel Jo gave a good answer to that.

The committee's lead advisor, Stephen Whittle, was a respected professor and had been plugging away on this 'poor disadvantaged minority' theme for years (Press for Change). I bet they couldn't believe their luck when Ruth Hunt agreed to get Stonewall involved. What MP was going to challenge Stonewall back then? They were beyond criticism at that point.

I'm in the Emma Barnet fan club.

She wipes the floor with just about everyone she interviews.

Which only serves to add to the point that Jo Swinson should have been prepared for an interview with her.

I rate Emma Barnet as the best broadcast interviewer out there atm. She is better than Andrew Neil who just ends up being purely aggressive. (I don't like Neil but he's a great political interviewer for picking up on the bullshit politicians are spouting)

and had been plugging away on this 'poor disadvantaged minority' theme for years (Press for Change). I bet they couldn't believe their luck when Ruth Hunt agreed to get Stonewall involved. What MP was going to challenge Stonewall back then? They were beyond criticism at that point
TimeLady,
Your posts on this have been very informative. I am still struggling to understand how this lobby group have managed to colonise so much, so quickly and exert such influence across so much of the power apparatus while the media were on mute. It’s quite incredible

I really want every party to be interviewed on this, especially labour and snp as they are clearly in disarray . When will they wake up to women having an actual vote which we will use.
The guardian is asking for issues around the election to be raised. I raised this ...will wait to see if they pick it up....

Ruth Hunt was made a Baroness by Theresa May? Why?

Ruth Hunt was made a Baroness by Theresa May? Why?

Because no politician has the balls to call Stonewall out, I suppose? The public criticism from LGB groups is relatively recent.

Emma's dealing with not just the socialised belief that women being assertive/authoritative are not being nice

Also, perhaps with the idea that 'Woman's Hou'r is a cosy little space where this issue can be safely buried - because women will just be 'nice' to each other - because they are women.

I’ve just listened. I don’t think Emma was harsh at all!

Because no politician has the balls to call Stonewall out, I suppose? The public criticism from LGB groups is relatively recent

TimeLady,
This is precisely the problem. Politicians who are directed not by any particular principle or consideration of the long term ramifications, but by what they think will garner them good media coverage. That’s a trait many politicos share, but it’s exacerbated when you have as PM someone whose main claim to fame is apologizing for her party and doesn’t seem to have any coherent political philosophy at all.

I'm not defending Theresa May. I think it was a dreadful appointment. But I expect most people don't disapprove of it because they're not aware of the anti-woman shenanigans that have gone on. She was Head of Stonewall. Big tick.

Anyway, not trying to derail this thread; just wanted to provide a bit of background for any newbies or lurkers.

I'm not defending Theresa May. I think it was a dreadful appointment. But I expect most people don't disapprove of it because they're not aware of the anti-woman shenanigans that have gone on. She was Head of Stonewall. Big tick

I also apologize for derailing thread, but this has been really interesting. I don’t know much of the background of how this has got to the current state of play and I have only been on this forum a couple of months. I have learned so much here, but it’s really quite shocking how a determined lobby group can have such a malign effect on freedom and democracy

I thought it was absolutely great, but (and it is a big but) there was very little (if any) talk about men. It was all, about “people” taking advantage/being dangerous which meant that we lost the nub of this, which is about men being able to claim womanhood, men taking advantage of spaces intended for women, men disregarding women’s boundaries, men prioritising their validation over women’s expectations of privacy, men pretending that men (as a class) are not a danger to women (as a class). I When I was listening I thought the absence of the word “men” was striking.

Emma was great! Thank you EB!