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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Prisoner denied GRS - court case.

132 replies

CactusAndCacti · 29/11/2019 08:27

I can't see any other post but a prisoner is suing the NHS as they were refused GRS.

This prisoner was convicted for having indecent images of children and for sexual activity with a young girl. They are now suing because of the distress that has been caused to them.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/11/28/transgender-paedophile-sues-nhs-refusing-reassignment-surgery/amp/

They are in prison for child sex offences and they think it acceptable to sue for their 'distress'. It looks like the tale is being seen as an attempt to get an easier ride away from a male prison which holds little back when it comes to children and prisoners.

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SonicVersusGynaephobia · 29/11/2019 16:21

How about if Heron, and every other transwomen, simply respected women and their boundaries and accepted the reality that while they may (rarely) "pass" on a very superficial level, they are not actually female, and where there are spaces which have been segregated by sex, they should accept that they cannot enter the space for the opposite sex, because there is a reason why it's there and it's not all about them as individuals and their wants; it's about the collective needs of female-sexed people, of which they are not one.

How about that?

nauticant · 29/11/2019 16:33

I wonder what would have happened had all of the effort gone into getting third spaces for trans people? Looking at the massive amount of leverage we've seen over the past decade, this would suggest it would have been all achievable.

But for some reason I suspect that had that been the goal, the amount of leverage available would have been far less.

NonnyMouse1337 · 29/11/2019 16:33

Could someone expand on the anti-androgen cohort, please?

Was there some government policy that assumed this would be a way to manage pedophiles and other sex offenders?

LangCleg · 29/11/2019 16:35

Could someone expand on the anti-androgen cohort, please?

I will try to dig out something - but the woman whose research into it has been suspended from Twitter and I'm afraid I failed to save/screenshot the tweets.

Yes, it was an in-prison attempt to manage offenders/reduce recidivism. Or even is, because so far as I know, the programme hasn't ended.

NonnyMouse1337 · 29/11/2019 16:44

Ah.... I wonder if they have any evidence that it actually works. Do they think they can chuck sex offenders back into society after their 'treatment'?

LangCleg · 29/11/2019 16:53

Ah.... I wonder if they have any evidence that it actually works. Do they think they can chuck sex offenders back into society after their 'treatment'?

Insofar as I know, no published results as yet. But yes, we're back to a version of chemical castration, only in our pomo-addled current era it's apparently had the side effect of conferring a "gender identity" on a large proportion of the subjects.

NonnyMouse1337 · 29/11/2019 16:55

Ugh.. where's a facepalm emoji when you need one.

LangCleg · 29/11/2019 17:04

I'm faffing about multi-tasking at the moment but I'll try and see if anyone else kept a record and post it later.

NonnyMouse1337 · 29/11/2019 17:19

No problem, LangCleg. There's no rush. Was curious as usual. :)

Michelleoftheresistance · 29/11/2019 17:20

Popped back after a couple of hours to see if my question had been answered.

I see not. It's still only all about Heron and TW. What they need, what they want, what's best for them, how to bend the law so that they can't be stopped from getting what they want....

You haven't the faintest interest in the female people this is fucking about with. They're not even counted as people in this conversation. And yet you're baffled that women are resistant to your ideology.

And even more baffled that they care about female people, over and above the needs of males.

You have a problem.

Michelleoftheresistance · 29/11/2019 17:23

Just to reiterate: here is a poster pushing hard to enable a male serious sex offender to get access to women who can't escape from them.

Because the male sex offender wants it.

The poster is irritated with female people not embracing this as a fabulous idea.

Michelleoftheresistance · 29/11/2019 17:24

The poster also seems to want to reiterate a lot that this is the law (in their opinion) and that female people need to realise there's no escape from male sex offenders who want access to them.

Why, do you suppose, someone might want to come to a female dominated forum and tell female people that?

DeeZastris · 29/11/2019 17:31

I’d be checking the hardrive tbh.

Datun · 29/11/2019 17:55

The poster also seems to want to reiterate a lot that this is the law (in their opinion) and that female people need to realise there's no escape from male sex offenders who want access to them.

The motivation is instantly uncovered by even the mildest of questions.

I was going to say I'm not even sure why they bother to engage, as it's such a piece of piss to show them up.

But I internally answered my own question, misogyny and arrogance, wrapped up in self entitlement. Resulting in a rank disbelief that anyone will question their motives.

NonnyMouse1337 · 29/11/2019 18:00

misogyny and arrogance, wrapped up in self entitlement

Absolutely.

BickerinBrattle · 29/11/2019 18:07

So many males are vulnerable to male violence, in prison or in places like toilets.

Gay males, small males, elderly males, physically disabled males, nueroatypical males, e.g.

I fail to see why one group of males at risk of male violence is privileged over another group of males similarly at risk. Why must that one group’s vulnerability be ameliorated to the point of increasing risk to female prisoners, when surely a small neuroatypical male is equally if not more at risk of violence in a prison population.

I say this having one close friend who works inside a male prison and specifically with the population deemed vulnerable, and I have another good friend whose mentally ill son is often arrested on drug charges and petty theft, whose life, the entire court system, knows would be very much in danger in prison were his crimes to escalate — so that much concerted effort is being wielded to keep him out of prison.

Unlike subjective feelings of female identity that cannot be verified, my friend’s son has multiple organic brain disorders falsifiable with neurological testing. But though the courts and the social service system are doing everything they can to help him off the path that will land him in prison, not one person, ever, has offered the possibility that he instead be housed in the female estate.

littlecabbage · 29/11/2019 18:35

I’ve worked in several different teams, each one accepting and understanding.

I bet some/all of the women forced to share facilities (toilets etc) with you were not at all comfortable with that, but felt they couldn't speak out. Especially those employed at lower levels of seniority than your "prominent role".

So many males are vulnerable to male violence, in prison or in places like toilets.

Gay males, small males, elderly males, physically disabled males, nueroatypical males

Excellent point BickerinBrattle. These other vulnerable males do not get housed in the female estate.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 29/11/2019 18:36

nueroatypical males

I think you may mean neurodiverse?

Datun · 29/11/2019 18:38

Gay males, small males, elderly males, physically disabled males, nueroatypical males, e.g.

Exactly. We've never said let's segregate by sex, apart from gay men, or men with mental health issues. It's ridiculous.

Addressing male violence should be the starting point.

Angryresister · 29/11/2019 18:47

Yes sonic it would be such a refreshing change if men however well they think they pass, would for one second consider women and girls feelings about not feeling safe. Disguise will not help. Our opinions and needs must be respected. No debate

JellyfishAndShells · 29/11/2019 18:49

like many trans people, you can’t tell they’re trans

Oh, the delusion. Not in real life - and not really in images, no matter how much makeup and filters.

littlecabbage · 29/11/2019 19:12

nueroatypical males

I think you may mean neurodiverse?

Captain I think she meant neuro-atypical, i.e. neurodiverse like you say.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 29/11/2019 19:19

Ah thanks Cabbage that makes sense.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 29/11/2019 19:20

That's my mistake not understanding what was written sorry bick

Ummmmcake · 29/11/2019 19:31

I don't care if other women consent to TWs being in the ladies or in Women's changing room. I do not consent and you can't consent on behalf of other people, so the TWs must stay out. That's the law. Not all that "gender is a feeling" nonsense. And if female prisoners are not heard, the rest of us must speak out on their behalf. No people with penises in female prisons!