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Does MN have a problem with trans people? **MNHQ edited title as OP has apologised for 'accusatory' tone**

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tryandempathise · 27/11/2019 07:54

Seem to be threads constantly on the issue of trans.

Why?

Is it because it conflicts with the idea of sex as a construct?

Is it an age thing?

There must be mums on here with trans kids - do you just stay out of it?

Why the obsession with the idea of being attacked by trans women? Is it not the modern equivalent of homophobic blokes all thinking gay men want to rape them?

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BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 27/11/2019 16:06

We cant have people using their fear to harass and accuse people of being dangerous when we know that most men arent dangerous even if most dangerous people are men

but what we can do is use evidence to keep people safe. so we know that mixed sex changing rooms put women at risk:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/unisex-changing-rooms-put-women-in-danger-8lwbp8kgk

Eyezswideshut · 27/11/2019 16:06

They said she was their to rape them, yes. They also called her a peeping Tom and a paedophile. All screamed at her in Stratford Westfield a few days before Xmas. The security guard didnt know what to do but apologise and ask her if it was true! He had no idea of her rights either way. I know he originally assumed she had done something other than just be in the toilets. He thought they had caught her actually doing something wrong and that is why he kept saying sorry.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 27/11/2019 16:07

It's like how you can't define what Britishness is

quick, alert the government - they can't define who their citizens are! (except of course there is a well used definition)

lemonsqueasy · 27/11/2019 16:10

How can you not see that mentioning rapists constantly means that you are prejudiced towards this minority?

OldCrone · 27/11/2019 16:12

@lemonsqueasy as you're back, can you answer my questions in my post at 14:36?

Eyezswideshut · 27/11/2019 16:12

@BernardBlacksWineIceLolly

Listen I'm a hairdresser with NVQ Level 3! But from the little that included on understanding research, I dont think you can have an accurate idea unless you specifically look at where trans and non trans people share the changing rooms. You cant look at a general facility where ordinary men and women and children share the space. Well you can but you cannot generalise the results to trans people because they arent men being men if you get my drift. They are men who live as women. They might have the same results but might not.

As a hairdresser, I have worked with several men that I just thought were gay but were probably more trans and they were completely different to straight non trans guys. I'd think nothing of being naked to a bunch of trans women but I wouldn't to a bunch of men.

TiredofthisBS · 27/11/2019 16:13

I wouldn't hold your breath @OldCrone. I've been waiting for the answers to my questions since this earlier morning.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 27/11/2019 16:13

How can you not see that mentioning rapists constantly means that you are prejudiced towards this minority?

I'm certainly prejudiced against rapists

Is it all minorities that are harmed by us sharing facts about rapists? I'd like to get straight on the rules

OldCrone · 27/11/2019 16:13

I will happily admit to being prejudiced against rapists.

Ereshkigal · 27/11/2019 16:13

It's like how you can't define what Britishness is

Pretty sure to do it other than by saying "someone who was born in Britain" you're going to have to fall back on tired stereotypes... so yes it's a good analogy.

Michelleoftheresistance · 27/11/2019 16:14

Your refusal to believe trans women's self identification is transphobic

A grip on facts and reality is transphobic.
Caring about women and their needs more than about males is transphobic.
Safeguarding is transphobic.
Respecting culture, faith and disability is transphobic.
Being lesbian is transphobic.
Being female is transphobic.
My goldfish is transphobic.

Only one of the above is not true.

Do you honestly still think by this point that saying the transphobia word is going to make women here run around going sorry, sorry, no I'm not?

Its a word that's been overused and over applied until it's lost all meaning and it's intent when used in the context you are using it is to shame women out of their rights. #fail

Eyezswideshut · 27/11/2019 16:14

Do you treat every single man as a rapist?

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 27/11/2019 16:15

How can you not see that mentioning rapists constantly means that you are prejudiced towards this minority?

Rapists?
yes I hate rapists.

What's you point?

OldCrone · 27/11/2019 16:15

They are men who live as women.

How does a man live as a woman?

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 27/11/2019 16:15

unless you specifically look at where trans and non trans people share the changing rooms. You cant look at a general facility where ordinary men and women and children share the space

I'm sorry, do you think trans people literally change sex ?? Confused

They are men who live as women

OK, how does that work? Give me some examples of you living as a woman'?

Ereshkigal · 27/11/2019 16:15

They are men who live as women.

How so? They say they are women, that's not the same thing.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 27/11/2019 16:15

Do you treat every single man as a rapist?

Every man has the ability to rape, so in safeguarding terms YES.

Ereshkigal · 27/11/2019 16:16

We really need an answer now three of us have asked Grin

Ereshkigal · 27/11/2019 16:17

Only one of the above is not true.

Goldfish are well known for it!

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 27/11/2019 16:17

I for one am dying to learn what 'living as a woman' means. I've been dying to know

Eyezswideshut · 27/11/2019 16:18

So how does that work in reality? Do you stop men bathing their kids or changing their nappies?

People went mad on my thread if I don't insist that DP changes our babies nappies but if he is a man and therefore very likely to rape, maybe it would be safer not to let him.

Women can also be abusers and rapists. And murderers. I watch women who kill most nights. It must be a sad life to treat everyone like they have done the bad things they could do.

BertrandRussell · 27/11/2019 16:18

“Do you treat every single man as a rapist?”

In terms of protecting my safety then yes, I consider the possibility that any man might be a rapist. Most of us would avoid being alone in a railway carriage with an unknown man. Most of us take precautions when we’re out and about alone.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 27/11/2019 16:19

So how does that work in reality? Do you stop men bathing their kids or changing their nappies?

No nurseys have to people at a time doing it.

And other places are sex segregated.

CaptainKirksSpikeyGhost · 27/11/2019 16:20

Women can also be abusers and rapists.

Only trans women can be rapists, as it requires a penis.

BernardBlacksWineIceLolly · 27/11/2019 16:21

Do you stop men bathing their kids or changing their nappies?

so confused now. Can men only bathe if there's a strange woman in the room?

Can men only change nappies naked with a strange woman present?

I'm really not following you Eyezswideshut
Still waiting to hear about living as a woman though