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I was gobsmacked to see this on the BBC. Very, very heartening.

The woman from the Tavi said GIDS for adults has been running for over 50 years and for children over 30 years. That is sufficient time for longitudinal studies on outcomes and interventions in clinic.

I'm putting Emily Maitliss on my santa list to come to mine for Christmas dinner. I'd love to have a good long chat with her.

Air! Sunlight!

Thank you Emily.

Today (Radio 4) have been covering trans issues lately too. The wind has changed.

Actually, this reminds me of when the wheels started falling off the Kids Company gravy train.

ipalyer link here

25/11/2019: [[www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000bpx3 via @bbciplayer]]

Not watched the full thing yet but it sounds pretty good considering it's the BBC.

Seems like a two horse race to the tipping point now. Children or sport - which will get there first?

Actually, this reminds me of when the wheels started falling off the Kids Company gravy train.

Yes!

sorry, link doesn't work

Well, the one gender advocate they had on said that 'the most important thing of all was that everyone felt validated .'

Given the thoroughly crispy toes the Tavi rep had from her feet being held to the fire by EM, I should think that none of them will feel validated by an interview with her, and I suspect the refusal to talk is going to play as bad as it always should have done - your tantrums effectiveness is at an end, AWAs. I am going to watch your house of cards fall with grim fascination, because while I rejoice in the end of your lies, those lies have still left so many lives devastated, and even your comeuppance won't change that.

But it'll do for starters.

Would someone please tell me what 'smh' means? thank you.

Would someone please tell me what 'smh' means?
Thank you.

Yoof text speak for Shake My Head.

Oops, first one wasn't meant to be posted. Thought I'd clicked on preview!

Ok. Thanks, would never have guessed that

Very, no, me neither. Teen daughters are helpful translators. They told me what FML means and I say it most days now

(Fuck My Life, in case you're wondering)

I would love Emily to cover Maya and Harry's cases!

Best part is all the TRAs will be dying to say "she's not a real journalist!", but then, you know, Prince Andrew interview, surely even they realize how that would look.

Yes, I am curious to see how they will play this. I seem to recall she did have a bit of a minor epiphany on Twitter some time ago about something to do with this, maybe a TRA excavator will find it (a suspiciously shocked retweet I think) and display it as evidence of her secret witchery all along.

Batten down the hatches Emily. I think it's probably you they'll be aiming at. You can't ask reasonable and persistent questions and not expect the mob to descend. Youare supposed to acquiesce meekly. Did you not have the training?

Heather Peto has already tried "this shows the need for more scientists to be interviewers"

Yeah right.

Gender identity ideology laid bare. Under-researched, under-evidenced and over-medicated. That's proper science...not.

EM speaks out
Good on her making waves
www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/maitlis-exposes-newsnight-upskirting-ckjfb235q

Bloody bbc

Can someone pretty please share this in a format accessible outside the uk please? The 46s clip I saw on Twitter is all I can find.

I'm in Australia

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000bpx3/newsnight-25112019

Starts 13 minutes in.

Although they did use 'assigned at birth' a lot. The bit about Debbie says "Debbie was born a girl, assigned female at birth."

The thing is that there were so many bits that begged bigger questions, why did Debbie feel she needed to change gender to accepted in the world and what did it mean for her to become a different person.

Poor Debbie, my heart goes out to her.

Another question is why is the LGBT+ community not asking these questions too, why are they not supporting these people who desist and de transition.

Also, the mention is made at the end of the report that 'we don't know...' 'there is no robust research...' but hasn't there been active attempts to stop research! This is something the LGBT+ community and the medical profession needs to face up to, in my option.

Lui Asquith said 'You can't make someone be trans.' So what does that mean for these people who identify as trans and then detransition? This should be a very important question for the trans community, IMHO.

Anna Hutchinson was brilliant. Very clear and very balanced, I felt.

Going to watch this today.

So let me get this right, Tavi is saying that because people come to them in distress, this is the justification for performing irreversible surgery on children?

By that twisted 'logic' do we put anorexics on a diet then because of their distress?

It's obscene.

IPlayer link to Newsnight again:

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000bpx3/newsnight-25112019

starts at 13.25 Until 36.00

again to Hannah Barnes and Deborah Cohen at BBC Newsnight and to Emily Maitlis for a really important interview, obviously well on top of her brief.

If you thought this was good interview please can you let the BBC know? they will be coming under huge criticism for investigating this:

www.bbc.co.uk/contact/comments

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Just watched this. Wow. I notice that the interviewer was very keen to put out that Charlie Evans only had anecdotal evidence but didn’t question Mermaids about the basis for their evidence.

Also could have pressed Mermaids on why people might feel it difficult to speak out about detransitioning given the amount of abuse they then receive from the TRAs.

Emily Maitlis was awesome in pushing the Tavi woman. But I would have liked to have heard the question about why they don’t have more research given she’d just proudly said how long the service had been running (over 50 years for adults) and how many 10s of 1000s of people come through their doors. And the blatant admission that they don’t know why so many more girls are coming through their doors - and don’t seem inclined to find out!