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I never seen it all though just saw that bit with the very distressed patients doc person who thought it was fine cos they were distressed to give treatments

I can't believe I just saw that. On the BBC as well.
Great - but any decent researcher would have made sure 2 things were pointed out.
1- James Caspian's research into detransitioning was pulled by his university (either Bath or Bath Spa) after pressure from TRA's
2-Marcus Evans, and I think others, have recently resigned from working at the Tavistock, and have been very forthright in their condemnation of the organisation.
However, I'd got to the stage where I thought I'd never see anything on the BBC that hadn't swallowed the TRA line, so am feeling pretty jubilant.

I think the research question is interesting. Would an NHS clinic usually lead on this or would it happen in universities? Also, presentably the vast majority of previous research on trans issues cannot be confidently applied to the current transitioning cohort as the types of people wanting to transition has changed so substantially over the past 5 years. Research focusing on 40 yo men cannot be extrapolated in any meaningful way to apply to 15 yo girls.

it was
thanks Emily

Sloppy use of concept of qualitative research by Woman from Tavistock. She seemed to equate it with anecdote and experience. An evidence base can ( and often should) consist of both quantitative and qualitative research - the key is in the word research, not the type.

Great work Emily if you are reading this !!!

www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m000bmy9

File of Four tomorrow: "Going Back: People reversing their Gender Transition"

She said they review their procedures all the time based on 'feedback', and that the later start for puberty blockers was based on recent feedback. The age at which a drug which halts development is prescribed is decided, not on proper research, but loosely defined 'feedback'.

Was it the same woman that was on the CBBC trans programme?

To answer my own question

No, that was Dr Polly Carmichael who took a cameo role in "I am Leo"

First interviewer on film definitely woke and very annoying in the skipping to and fro. Charlie was brilliant , unlike the grinning person from Mermaids. But Emily did a fantastic job...she had really researched and knew what she was talking about. I never though a gender critical voice would be heard on The BBC. An extraordinary drilling down to the issues that concern us. Psychiatrist had no idea why there are so many more girls than boys...she could have taken a guess, but ended up saying that she didn’t know why it was more men in the past...she could have taken a punt on that one too...but EMily pressed on with the drilling down. Thank you..the ground is shifting.

Emily Maitlis was very good, but the report started with complete acceptance that people are assigned a gender at birth.

Wow. Maitliss was magnificent.

Puuuulllll

By god, it's moving!

Seems like the BBC has finally remembered that women pay the tv license too.

gonetoofar you are right that these important facts were not mentioned and should have been. I am sure Caspian made sure his views were heard

Also, presentably the vast majority of previous research on trans issues cannot be confidently applied to the current transitioning cohort as the types of people wanting to transition has changed so substantially over the past 5 years.

Very true, but more than that:

How good is the evidence for transition in general?

Certainly there is evidence of benefits to transition for some GD sufferers, but is there good quantitative data on it's effectiveness versus other treatments?

Do we understand failure rates, effect on co-morbid MH conditions and how effectiveness varies?

Transition is a much more drastic intervention than talking therapy, it needs to be well understood.

But what changed the tavis view on giving puberty blockers to younger children.

That was slipped in ay end

I thought that was important.

Were they admitting what they done in the past was wrong and if it was what is the proof it was wrong or right

But what changed the tavis view on giving puberty blockers to younger children.

I think by "feedback" she meant we got scrutinised by the HRA and it wasn't all positive.

Wind's changed, everyone. Hold on to something

Yep. That’s what I was thinking. Wonder what the TRAs will be making of this.

Perhaps they do know more about those that are desperately unhappy and trying to detransition than they are letting on.

People with body dysmorphic disorder who want their leg cut off are also often very distressed. Is this person proposing that any time a patient is distressed the doctors just give them what they want? Because that seems unwise (especially when dealing with children).

Is this on catch-up.. what times etc. Need a nice bedtime story!

Has the Beeb finally realised that putting children on a life-long medicalised pathway of untested drugs (drugs developed for cancer), below the age of consent (in some cases below Gillick competence I think) is not going to put them on the right side of history?

Maitliss tacking the GIDS woman on the duty of care in follow up studies, research, and evidence on the long term consequences was dynamite.

Charlie Edwards is brilliant! So clear, so compassionate.

And like PP, I'm ranting at the television: why oh why is the reporter using that stupid phrase "gender assigned at birth"? We are observed to be of one of two sexes.

None of the gender advocates are prepared to face an actual interview rather than a gushy regurgitation of their favorite press release.