Conservative manifesto; no mention of GRA

[MrsSnippyPants]

Long grass it is then. I'll be asking my ppc what happened to those consultation responses.
The word 'gender' does not appear anywhere, FYI

So it's a vote between the "we will introduce self ID you terfs aren't welcome"

"Will introduce self ID but wrap ourselves up in knots giving the illusion for woman's rights"
Or
"Maybe won't introduce self ID"

My tory mp is gc.. That alongside this... She has my vote. It’s as simple as that for me this election.

Maybe won't introduce self ID

It really is pathetic of them. Craven and dissembling because they are frightened of Twitter hysterics calling them the nasty party.

Lady, that’s an interesting take on it. Another poster made a great point that there was really no upside to the Conservatives explicitly coming out against self ID because many people know nothing about it.

If this election is seen/is a choice between -

(1) Remain supporting parties (in their various shades) who will introduce self ID

Vs

(2) Right wing party who have doomed the country to austerity and will push to hard brexit but who may not introduce self ID

Who would you rather vote for? That is the question isn’t it? Also what are the implications of a spoilt ballot that seems to be the path many are taking? What a spoilt ballot means long-standing X party stronghold may not mean the same in a swing or marginal....

David Davis has been tweeting about Harry's case today too (not David T Davies), so that's two Tory Davids onside.

From a political pov it is better for the Tories not to explicitly come out against self-id as it could motivate younger "woke" people to vote against them.

The Conservatives are not ‘right wing.’ They are barely Conservative. But hey. I would much rather a Conservative government than either of the other options.

I was goin to spoil my ballot but in all honesty I'm probably goin to vote Tory now.

The Conservatives are not ‘right wing.’

Wow. What’s the right wing then? UKIP/TBP? In my books and in the books of very many folk that’s far right, near facist. Both labour and Tories have more centrist and more extreme elements but I thought we are all broadly certain that these two parties sit on either side of the political spectrum with some more or the extremes and others more to the centre (so the difference I suppose between Jacob Rees Mogg and till recently Nick Boles, or between Jeremy Corbyn and till recently Chuka Umunna), but to say the Tories are not right wing at all when their politics policies and ideologies say otherwise is a bit intriguing.

Presumably if it is not in the manifesto and it was not in the (pointless) Queen’s Speech, it is not on their agenda any more?

Give me one example of the Conservative manifesto that is ‘right wing?’

First off it is not about a one off manifesto. Secondly it clearly depends on what you classify as right wing if you are arguing that the Tories are not “the right” in this country. So what are they? Are they left wing? Are they centrist? Does the UK not have right wing parties? If the UK does have right wing parties are they UKIP? Which makes Tories centrist I suppose? Which makes the Lib Dem left wing? Which makes labour far left? It is not about an emergency election manifesto which is clearly pushing through a hard brexit which was supported by more right wing than left wing people anyway. But setting brexit aside I am very curious about where - historically, ideologically, you place conservatism as a political movement and philosophy. Where do you plot conservatism on the ideological spectrum? The centre or the left? Because if conservatism is not the right surely it is either centrist or left? Which then does lead one to consider the situations of the other major parties on that soectrum

So you can’t give one example of a ‘right wing ‘ manifesto pledge? The Conservative party in the UK has moved to the centre. The traditional distinction between the Conservatives and Labour was the former prioritized freedom over equality. The stifling of freedom of speech which is evident in two contemporary court cases shows what happens when no political party is defending that as a principled position.

I'm in a very marginal labour / conservative seat. The fact GRA reform isn't in the Tory manifesto might be enough for me to do the unimaginable and vote Tory rather than spoil my paper. I can't imagine a Boris Johnson government being pressured into GRA reform but, if it was, at least it would be possible for the House of Lords to block it.

Presumably if it is not in the manifesto and it was not in the (pointless) Queen’s Speech, it is not on their agenda any more?
When I spoke to my Tory mp, I got the impression that they were just going to kick it into the long grass. (That was months ago) That in itself isn't good for women and children if they aren't going to tackle the way organisations are misinterpreting the EA.

Brexit in itself and what it will mean for the worst off in society. It’s austerity measures. It’s approach to large corporations and taxation. Universal credit. The front lining of Rees Mogg and Priti Patel. Super centrist behaviour right. Jesus Christ. Being asked to evidence that the Tories are right wing to someone who genuinely truly believes Tory actions are more centrist than right boggles the mind. Perhaps you also consider the republicans in the USA to be “centrist”.

If your mind is ‘boggled’ because I have correctly pointed out that the Conservatives are not ‘right wing’ I can’t help you.

Neither can you be helped if you truly believe their ideologies and actions are not right wing. Oh and You are not correct just because you say you are. Enjoy your Sunday :)

I'm a Conservative member and pro-Brexit, and I consider myself slightly right of centre as a 'liberal conservative', similar to Boris.

The Conservatives aren't right wing ffs name one Right Wing policy I was a Lib Dem voter for years can't ever vote for them Corbyn would destroy the country turn us into Venezuela and they say we hadn't gone far enough so this and the fact I can't see Boris cowtowing to the TRA' s has swung me I will hold my nose and vote Tory. Employment is up austerity is over or waning if they can sort the unholy mess they've made of cleaning up the last Labour government mismanagement of our economy and NHS we are in with a chance.

I will hold my nose and vote Tory

Why will you need to hold your nose?

The problem is that by ignoring the situation they are also allowing 'Stonelaw' to be implemented by default.

Because their 'reforms' as regards disability benefits in this country are shocking

Were there any reviews or policy changes after the Karen White case?