Conservative manifesto; no mention of GRA

[MrsSnippyPants]

Long grass it is then. I'll be asking my ppc what happened to those consultation responses.
The word 'gender' does not appear anywhere, FYI

If it wasn't the Tories it would be whoever else is in power, the TRA narrative has taken over everywhere, it's a multiparty issue because all the parties have men in them who want to use the loopholes it provides.

Just look at other countries with over styles of government who have already taken up self ID.

In the end the government ALWAYS gets in regardless of who you vote for, to paraphrase the Bonzo Dog Do Da band.

Wasn't bedroom tax originally a Labour Idea?
Yes they first came up with the idea, then the present government brought it in.

How can a feminist vote tory?
Why not ask this question about labour or lib dems, their manifesto's trample all over women.

There has been some tactical standing down in our area so we are left with a tory/labour decision. I will NEVER vote for self ID so its conservative or not voting at all.

I do not agree with the ideology of the conservatives and have never voted for them and hope never to do so again. (Though I am also aghast by the current authoritarianism of labour). The Tories have had dreadful policies in the past few parliaments and we need to unravel much of what they have done, but I do not think that should be at the expense of women’s rights. The Tory manifesto is deliberately mild, with some investment. I appreciate that others may think that 4/5 years of Tories may be too long to wait to actively counter Tory policies that are having a negative effect right now, but that is the choice. Lose women’s rights now because labour get in or the Lib Dems are influential in a power sharing arrangement, or bet on the Tories sticking with their “do nothing” manifesto and spend the next four/five years fighting when there is still something to fight for. For me this is practical, not ideological.

What I am finding surprising is how little my huge desire to remain in the EU is influencing my decision.

What I am finding surprising is how little my huge desire to remain in the EU is influencing my decision

THIS I suspect is what will ultimately differentiate between those here spoiling ballots and those voting Tory. Brexit and my overwhelming desire to remain is my No 1 issue this election and ultimately we all have our own no 1 issues.

thoughtless Yes, I am surprised at how women’s rights is winning for me. I think for me it is that I think it will do untold damage if Brexit doesn’t happen, though then I will be back to writing letters begging Scotland to stay!

I’m a gc feminist.
I’m voting conservative this election..
End of days? No.
Just pragmatism.

Barely matters as I live in one of the safest Tory seats in the country. But this has decided my vote - Tory.

What I am finding surprising is how little my huge desire to remain in the EU is influencing my decision.

It's not a choice I have to make as I'm not in the UK, but I don't know that staying or not staying in the EU would weigh that heavily for me, simply because I don't see the Remain parties as doing anything long term to address the things that led to the leave vote. Which makes me think the problems will come home to roost one way or another. Nor am I convinced of the long term stability of the EU.

Something like a basic change to rights though, that could be very difficult to change once it happens, with long term consequences.

This GE is keeping me awake at night, hence why I'm here posting at 3am when I will be up for work in my nhs job at 7.

I'm as WC as they come, brought up in a council house in an area affected by the horrible Thatcher destruction of our industries. Was a teen leaving education at a time when my peers went from the classroom to the dole queue etc.
My DH has MS and started claiming DLA in 2005. At that time he had to fill in a new claim every 3 yrs. Fast forward to now and he has to be reassessed every year. We nearly lost our motability car in 2015. He miracously didn't need it anymore, despite having an incurable degenerative disease, according to the Tories.

I've never voted for them (or the lib dems. swung between SNP and Labour) but have considered it this time, purely because of self ID. Dont think I can do it. I just can't get past their treatment of disabled people, UC and austerity. Not to mention Brexit. So a spoilt ballot it is likely to be for me.

Totally agree with whoever said they just happen to be the party in power when the TRAs started this nightmare and that if Labour /LD were in power it would be law now. What a terrible position we women have been put in.

They also don't put in their manifesto many other things they are doing that are very unpopular.

They will have to amend the GRA - Nations will have until January 2022 to put the WHO changes in place.

"It was taken out from mental health disorders because we had a better understanding that this was not actually a mental health condition, and leaving it there was causing stigma."

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-48448804

The government set up a consultation after being lobbied/influenced by Stonewall's trans report

www.stonewall.org.uk/lgbt-britain-trans-report

Stonewall was implicitly trusted back then due to its great work in the past
Justine Greening was the Minister at the time and she presumably was a strong supporter of their work herself. Nothing wrong with that.

Unfortunately it seems the all party select committee led by Maria Miller then got involved and that's where it all went wrong as they were unduly hoodwinked influenced by people with a very one-sided agenda (yes, I'm looking at you, Stephen Whittle). There were others on that committee besides Maria Miller who share the blame in this debacle.

The subsequent representations from newly formed women's groups has been heroic and I am in awe of what they've gone through and achieved, exposing the trans ideology for what it is.

The Tories appear to to have been the only ones listening though and I'm relatively happy with that.

Fwiw, I'm no fan of JRM or IDS either; like Labour, it's a broad church. But they're not in charge right now. The politician I respect most is probably Frank Field

My mp has no intention of dropping it they are just not putting it in the election promises because they believe brexit is what will decide the vote not women's rights shows what they think of women doesn't it

I think the fact that it's not in the manifesto isn't necessarily meaningful. There's hardly anything in the manifesto. They've let self id happen by the back door anyway and I can't see them doing anything to reverse that.

Ours has been a traditionally Lib Dem seat for decades.
I've always been a socialist, canvassing with my grandfather from age 7 and very much involved in the Labour Party.
I had never considered voting any other way , not voting or spoiling my paper.
At the last election I couldn't vote for Corbyn or Lib Dem . Wouldn't even consider voting Tory then.
So I spoilt my ballot.
To be fair the very long standing Lib Dem MP was very helpful to my family with issues regarding my 2 disabled sons and I'm very grateful to him but the party is not for me for reasons already mentioned here and I think Jo Swinson is bloody insufferable.
Anyway this useless Tory MP won last time.
The guy is hopeless and not well thought of.
Terrible self promoting, pompous twat. I emailed his office to ask about self identification and a few other disturbing issues after my 12 year old came home from his special needs school having had a "lesson " in gender equality from an outside organisation without our prior knowledge and being told that the "old" male / female sex issued at birth were irrelevant and people should be able to decide for themselves.
He was told not to say boy , girl , woman or man and use they / them pronouns from now on!
Now this is a school for kids with moderate to severe learning and physical disabilities.
It's an hour from our town in a labour stronghold.
He was so bloody confused and after dinner he just walks into the living room wearing my clothes and a old tatty Halloween wig because he wanted to see what they meant about people being gender less and just people.
He even informed me I was a cis woman!
Well I didn't react , he did it a few more times and that was the end of that.
He's back to being the school Romeo and wearing too much lynx Africa to attract the girls 😂
As our current MP is gay and doesn't hide it , I thought he would support the school but he was outraged.
Strange when I checked he even voted against gay marriage!
He told me that self identification is not Tory policy.
Still took the useless bugger 6 weeks to send an email to the LA about the outrageous lesson though.
I'm not going to waste my vote this election and I'm going to vote Tory.
I never in all of my 44 years thought I'd say this and actually vote conservative but I'm sick of this tiny minority of people trying to take my rights as a woman away from me.
I am a woman. Born female , not cis and I don't have a gender.
I have a sex.
I'm pro gay rights 100% , my Dsis is lesbian and I'm pro any adult male or female to undergo gender reassignment ( not children or teenagers though ) and go through the proper process to make that happen for them.
Self identification is insanity and senseless.
Why is it ok to bully and vilify women or men who don't agree with a tiny minority's opinion ?
I'm not trans phobic in any way but I am against any form of extremism and in my humble opinion this militant trans lobby that is seeping into our society is an extremist view point.

I’m in what is probably a safe Labour area. I emailed my Labour, Tory, Green & LibDem candidates to ask how they were going to defend women’s sex-based rights & the only response I’ve had was from the Conservative, who said that after 40 years in the NHS she’s very clear on the importance of single sex wards.

I am against any form of extremism

And thus you find yourself able to vote for a man who openly voted against gay marriage? And who presumably voted for countless inhuman injustices to the disabled infirm and sick that his party brought into practice? In the end I suppose it is inherently about which issue one prioritises over which other. Nigel Farage is superbly against “all this trans stuff” as are many in his school of thought but for what reason? Is it really for feminist reasons? Is that why this man who voted against marriage equality is anti TWAW? Is that why the DM is against it? How can we not see that the opposition to TWAW comes from two distinct different ideological areas - and just because the one of those on the left is not available to people, one votes into power the one on the other end which is out to wreck untold damage? Why not spoil the ballot instead? Is voting in the supporters of a hard brexit and much worse else truly the best way to make a statement against extremism?

rights & the only response I’ve had was from the Conservative, who said that after 40 years in the NHS she’s very clear on the importance of single sex wards

Empress, that really is an indictment of the colonization of both Labour and the Lib Dems by this aggressive lobby group. I remember when the Lib Dems leader was brave enough to oppose the invasion of Iraq. What has happened to them?

I'm almost too scared to write this (in much the same way that I'm often too scared to challenge trans ideology) but I'm someone who thinks of themself as a feminist but not a socialist

Well said Thingybob. It is possible to be a feminist without being a socialist. And everyone is free to vote however they like. It’s ludicrous that you feel scared to give your opinion. But it is a sign of the times.

Fwiw, I'm no fan of JRM or IDS either; like Labour, it's a broad church.

I don't think either main party is a broad church at the moment. They have both taken steps to purge moderates.

That, and the fact that the other parties have outsourced their equalities policies to homophobia misogynists, is why so many of us are going to be stuck on 12th December.

The Tories don't care about women. Their fiscal reforms have historically shafted women at every income level.

fullfact.org/economy/austerity-women/

I appreciate that gender rights are important but can't comprehend basing a vote on this issue only (in the same way, to me, it's not all about Brexit).

@Thoughtlessinengland an openly gay man voting against gay marriage because he thought civil partnerships were adequate.
He is in one himself.
He's not exactly against the LGBTQ community is he?
I have checked his voting record ( that's how I found out that he voted against gay marriage) and he is pro nhs, pro remain and pro disability rights.
Turns up regularly at parent / carer disability events I attend in the community and is fighting the local labour council for social care reforms , as they just keep slashing the budget for disabled kids and putting money in crack pot schemes ( just for clarification we have a first time young Tory mp voted in at the last election and a local council that has been labour for decades )
I'm sorry but people have a right to vote, I don't want to risk a Marxist government and the bloody swamp needs draining.
I'm very much hoping labour will get a wake up call and rebuild itself into a party I can feel proud to vote for and become involved in again.
The very far far left have ruined the party and people should take the blinkers off and be afraid.

At least the Tories are having the sense to back away from it

As with fracking you cannot trust in that, though - it is has not been decided upon from any position of integrity. Boris Johnson, for one, has no political integrity, not it seems any core political values.Fracking will be back by next year should they win the election, and Self Id will worm its way back too

I think in the end BovaryX’s post is the best summary here. If you are a Feminist Conservative - then this election is not a challenge for you. Your values politics and ideology have already aligned you to a position where you can be feminist ie egalitarian on the basis of sex/gender - smulatensouly whilst embracing conservatism which, as many would argue, does not place equality in the same place as socialism. So you have a clear and easy choice.

But if you are not a feminist conservative - if you are indeed a feminist socialist, or even a feminist centrist for whom conservatism does not and will not in any way sit right, then it’s YOU that feels choice less in this election. You do NOT have an easy choice. You cannot transform yourself from feminist socialist to feminist conservative, and in the end that is why some of those against TWAW will either comfortably or semi comfortably vote conservative and others will remain political homeless and spoil their ballots.

I was quite content about spoiling my ballot, but am in a labour/conservative marginal. My vote does count. I think it would feel like a cop out (kind of leaving up to others) if I didn’t vote positively for women’s rights.