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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Conservative manifesto; no mention of GRA

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MrsSnippyPants · 24/11/2019 16:21

Long grass it is then. I'll be asking my ppc what happened to those consultation responses.
The word 'gender' does not appear anywhere, FYI

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merrymouse · 25/11/2019 18:02

I'm particularly unhappy about Jo Swinson's comments about lesbians.

It demonstrates a complete lack of understanding of male violence against women.

Does she think rape is just the stage between BDSM and 'oops rough sex gone wrong'?

Hullabalooo · 25/11/2019 18:33

So are you all signing this petition? Looks like it needs support. I've signed another party one.

Goosefoot · 25/11/2019 19:44

That distinction - that pause - of asking WHY does this person suddenly appear on my side when nothing else they stand for aligns with me

I think it's often more complicated than that though. I think there are a lot of cases where there is far more overlap, ideologically, than people realise. There are reasons for example traditional leftists and traditional conservatives often overlap. There is a reason working class voters in many places have gone from voting for a leftist party to voting for one that we see as being on the right, there was a real overlap of values. There is a reason so many parties and people on the centre left seem to support globalism, and also neoliberal individualism, and the bourgeoisie business class, just as many conservatives do now (though historically that was the liberal position, not the conservative one.)

One of the things that has happened I think as some people on the left have begun to feel abandoned is that they have realised that some of the other parties, and other political wings, have more overlap or more to offer than they had realised, that they had been too narrow in their thinking about those viewpoints, even assumed the worst about their motives, while doing the opposite with those of their own persuasion.

It can really throw your whole way of thinking about politics.

placemats · 25/11/2019 20:23

Why would anyone who believes in equality vote for the Tories?

Equality begins with an equal footing.

Denying men the right to use women's toilets is not a Gender Critical stance. It's a humanity stance.

Men are the ones who are denying trans people the right to use the toilet of their choice. NOT women.

Women want and need their own spaces. Any trans person who insists a right to female/male spaces is not trans. Trans people totally understand, more than most people, the need for a safe and secure space.

FFS sacrificing the poor and disenfranchised for the sake of Gender Critical? I've heard it all now. And I'm sick and tired of hearing that someone is disenfranchised because of a gender critical stance.

FFS try living hand to mouth.

TheMostBeautifulDogInTheWorld · 25/11/2019 20:41

When I spoke to my Tory mp, I got the impression that they were just going to kick it into the long grass

The trouble with kicking it into the long grass is that that amounts to a refusal to address the massive harms that have already happened. No addressing of regulatory capture, no directives to the EHRC to sort their shit out, just crossing of fingers and hoping it all goes away.

It's too late for that.

I have no idea which faction of the SNP or the Labour Party will win out in either party - whether wokebeards or feminists will end up steering either or the other.

I also have no idea whether feminist Greens and Liberal Democrats (and yes they do exist) will ever be able to get their parties back on the reality rails, but at least the issue is there.

But any party that thinks they can get away with ignoring all this is the worst of the lot, as far as I can see. Because it's too bloody late for that.

ambercarbo · 01/12/2019 17:21

The Labour party are the only ones that have vowed to enforce the single sex exemptions in the EA. I am personally not for amending the GRA if see it scrapped, but the fact is it was lib dems and Tories that introduced all that- and then the lefties get blamed for it. The SNP have dropped the plan to change GRA, and will try persuade the UK parked to do the same.

ambercarbo · 01/12/2019 17:23

The Labour party are the only ones that have vowed to enforce the single sex exemptions in the EA. I am personally not for amending the GRA -I'd see it scrapped, but the fact is it was lib dems and Tories that introduced all that- and then the lefties get blamed for it. The SNP have dropped the plan to change GRA, and will try persuade the UK parties to do the same.

ambercarbo · 01/12/2019 17:34

Looks rather like the conpervatives have just copied Labour's declaration.

GCAcademic · 01/12/2019 17:44

The Labour party are the only ones that have vowed to enforce the single sex exemptions in the EA. I am personally not for amending the GRA if see it scrapped, but the fact is it was lib dems and Tories that introduced all that- and then the lefties get blamed for it. The SNP have dropped the plan to change GRA, and will try persuade the UK parked to do the same

@ambercarbo: The GRA came in under a Labour government. It was mainly opposed by the Conservatives at the time.

The SNP haven't called off plans to amend Scottish law - they said that they were still committed to bringing forward legislation on this. They've just said nothing about it in relation to their manifesto for the UK Parliament. If you can point to somewhere where they have said that they have abandoned their policies on GRA reform and "will try to persuade the UK parked [parliament?] to the same", I'd really like to see a link, please.

koshkat · 01/12/2019 18:31

The Labour party are the only ones that have vowed to enforce the single sex exemptions in the EA

And the LP also thinks that any man who declares that he is a woman IS actually a woman. Spot the problem yet?

GCAcademic · 05/12/2019 07:35

Just to respond further to @ambercarbo ‘s claim that the SNP have dropped GRA reform, it seems on the contrary that plans to proceed with it are very much on:

mobile.twitter.com/mbmpolicy/status/1201928105679556608

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