Only consenting to receiving medical treatment from a female is not acceptable

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One NHS trust says it’s unacceptable for women to say they only consent to medical treatment from “natal females”. I find this completely outrageous and couldn’t find a thread on it already. Bloody hell!

the only way to minimize the risk is to make rules that cover males as a group.

Decent men penis-havers, the kind that don't feel comfortable using mixed-sex communal loos, understand why we vulva-havers need these rules and respect that we need to do this, even if they feel sad about it.

Those penis-havers who do not respect women's boundaries flag themselves as dangerous. Those penis-havers who try to get removal of women's boundaries written into law and policy flag themselves as enormously dangerous.

We see you.

bb67th
Thank you for speaking out. I'm so sorry to hear about your history and I am sorry that it even has to be said in this context when we all deserve so much more.

Females should have female HCPs with the same equipment as us. End of.

I talked upthread about having a smear test in my mid to late 30s with a female GP.

I had an awful smear test at 18 (my first) with a male GP, that resulted in pain and bleeding and I had been unable to have a 'successful' smear over the years despite many attempts.

In my mid to late 30s (46 now) I tried again with my female GP. She was very understanding and patient, but to no avail. It was a difficult and frustrating experience, but if I'd had to do that with a man then I would have felt completely violated.

Listen to women. This isn't about wounded egos for us. This is our about our safety, privacy, dignity, comfort and even our lives.

Yes. Decent men don't even ask why, they just accept that if women are saying this is a thing that we need then there's probably a reason, and they don't like the shared spaces either because they don't get a thrill out of seeing women tense and uncomfortable or scared.

As a survivor of abuse a trip to the breast clinic and being examined by a male consultant left me traumatised and having flashbacks. It didn't help he was insensitive, not respecting the screen while I was changing which added to my feelings of unease. Part of the exam is just standing back and looking at the breasts and that was extremely uncomfortable, having strange male hands on my breasts was awful. There was a female chaperone who was nicer, but again being watched by her was not nice.

In contrast the female practitioners at the mammogram and ultrasound bit were fantastic and very skilled and sensitive and I didn't feel even slightly uncomfortable.

The experience has stuck in my mind and I feel sick at the thought of ever having to go back to the same clinic, he was the only consultant on duty so no idea if they even have a female doctor in that department.

I had local anaesthetic for the insertion of a Mirena, and that was a good 15 years ago. My GP started doing it without but it was intolerable and I ended up having three injections.

I have a weird cervix. During one smear I told the nurse she was tickling me. She looked at me dubiously and told me that wasn't possible as I had no nerve endings there. But I could tell her exactly where she was touching me. She didn't actually cross herself but she looked a bit baffled and freaked out.

I imagine that's why I needed the injections. I could feel exactly where they went in, too.

I did, I went to a special familiy planning clinic attached to the maternity hospital. And what horrifies me, 15 years later with hindsight, is that I was screaming but they still didn't stop and offer anaesthetic.

Which is utterly unacceptable and they should have been severely reprimanded, possibly even struck off for that. You removed consent for the procedure and they carried on anyway. Who was doing it?

So it's A-OK for other people to tell me that I'm wrong for wanting a female HCP even after I disclose a) how much a coil fitting hurts and b) my CSA-induced vaginismus, but it's not OK for me to fail to read people's minds about an echo? Can I say "double standards"?

Why are you expected to read people's minds? I was correcting the poster who said that a cardiac echo.is merely an ultrasound of your chest and not painful and not as potentially embarrassing as a mammogram. Why is that double standards to correct people who are factually incorrect?

Females should have female HCPs with the same equipment as us. End of.

No, females shouldn't have to have female hcps. That's taking away my choice. I want to have the best person available and I don't mind if that person is male or female. Whatever I'm having done I do my research and then get referred to my preferred consultant. I don't want to be restricted to only female drs. I respect the right of anyone that does only want a female HCP but I don't. Don't take my choice away.

If you have a problem with seeing a male dr, you are the problem not them

How to save the NHS in one massive try. Stop half the population ever using it again.
Also those HCPs who for some reason need willing women victims will have no victims very soon. Damned if I'd let my daughter be treated by a man, for the stunning and brave points. And I will loudly shout about this outside surgery's and clinics to prevent other women becoming victims.

I would refuse treatment if a male or transgender was trying to treat me. I would prefer to die. I only see female doctors and nurses for reasons that the doctors know about.

I want to have the best person available and I don't mind if that person is male or female

Nice attempt to derail from the facts.

The issue is NOT male or female HCPs.

It is male sexed people who come in place of a female sexed people (that you have requested or is the widely accepted norm. Or in any scenario where you would rightfully expect to be advised that it was a male HCP).

This male then tells you they are a woman, when you and they both know full well the truth. They may or may not wear feminine clothing, or they may be a 6' alpha male brick shithouse in chinos. Appearance is irrelevant to their claim of womanhood.

You are then required to go along with this pretence that they are a woman purely for their benefit, and potentially at harm to you. Raising concern gets you labelled as a troublemaker, appt waster, bigot, transphobe. You may even lose your place in the queue for whatever medical service you are using.

Up till now, that has not been the case, for the obvious and longstanding accepted reasons of privacy, dignity and safety. It's only now that people are saying it should be changed TO this. Why are you so keen on that?

Not engaging in the derailathon.

When a patient asks for a female HCP that is exactly what they should get. Requiring the patient to provide a soothing and validating environment for the HCP is an absurd reversal of how healthcare is supposed to work. Requiring patients to lie is bad for their mental health.

BuzzShitbagBobbly
Why attempt to twist what I said until it's unrecognisable?

A pp, who I quoted, stated that female patients should see female hcps. I replied saying that I don't want that and I want to be free to choose the best qualified HCP, regardless of whether they are male or female. So, thank you but it is precisely the point that the pp made and which I was replying to. And if you think it's a de rail then take it up with the poster who said it, not me. I was merely responding to their post.

A pp, who I quoted, stated that female patients should see female hcps. I replied saying that I don't want that and I want to be free to choose the best qualified HCP, regardless of whether they are male or female. So, thank you but it is precisely the point that the pp made and which I was replying to.

Oh give over. The thread is in the context of letters sent to an NHS trust with regard to mammograms and smear tests. If you are that dopey you need every post on a thread about same sex HCPs for intimate procedures to have to issue a caveat for intimate procedures because Zebra doesn't understand threads have topics and contexts - you're probably better checking OPs before you post. Umpteen times.

No, females shouldn't have to have female hcps.

NO one is taking your choice away! What is happening is that women who request a female HCP can and may be presented with a HCP who is not female, has XY chromosomes and a penis and that they must accept this or they are bigots. THAT is the issue.

Never understood how being watched by another person/chaperone/whatever is supposed to help, that makes me even more nervous and I'm one of those people who thankfully has not been abused and don't really have a preference for the sex, not gender, of the HCP.

This is beside the point because this about forcing women to accept a male HCP to do intimate exams on them because that HCP self-id's as female, so take it, no chaperone needed, or go without treatment.

That's wrong, IMO. It is not the job of patients to put their needs aside for someone else's feelings.

That's not hard to understand, is it?

That's not hard to understand, is it?

It's not, but I think everyone reading this thread knows perfectly well that the only choice being taken away here is the choice women have had previously to stipulate a female HCP for intimate procedures. As to why anyone would deliberately and consistently attempt to muddle that point, well, that's between them and their conscience.

Females should have female HCPs with the same equipment as us. End of.

Here is the post. How does that mean anything other than all females should have a female HCP? We should have the choice. Lang is saying it's only for mammograms or smears and then says for intimate procedures. Intimate procedures covers a wide range of things. I don't want to be told, by this poster, that I have to have a woman Dr rather than the most qualified Dr.

This is basically not accepting Transgender ‘identity’. For whichever reasons WHICH ARE VALID. The same as my reasons are JUST SAVE MY FUCKING LIFE, I DON’T CARE WHO/WHAT GENDER cuts my top on to put the defib on my naked breaststroke running down a corridor.

Any ‘derails’ are I. Fact justifications for disagreeing, which I thought feminism had rid us of the need to do. Silly me for disagreeing with other women.

Let's say the NHS tells me I can have a female HCP if I want and I opt to take them up on it and request a female HCP. When I get to the appointment a male HCP rocks up saying he has a womanly gender identity so I have to accept him as a real female HCP then, no, that's not OK, the NHS should not be putting either of us in that position.

Bunny are you ok hun?

Derail. Derail. Derail.

So. What should we be doing about this?

S'been explained multiple times Towel , Kittens has it nailed.

Hear do you think female doctors aren’t as competent as men? You’re very keen to hammer home the message you don’t care about sex just that you’re treated by the best person. Lots of you in there, because quite frankly that’s all you send to care about. Me, myself and I ..... ad infinitum.

For the lurkers.

HearHooves A mistake. My post should have read that females should have the choice to be seen by female HCPs.

The word is 'choice' and, as a woman, I choose not to be examined by a man.

Why are you so angry Hooves at some women requesting the right to a female HCP. What's the problem?