Only consenting to receiving medical treatment from a female is not acceptable

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One NHS trust says it’s unacceptable for women to say they only consent to medical treatment from “natal females”. I find this completely outrageous and couldn’t find a thread on it already. Bloody hell!

Well do take that to the NHS then, but it's not relevant to this discussion.

It is standard, normal, accepted practice that patients can ask for same sex hcps for intimate care. I'm sure sometimes it involves waiting until someone is free. But it's managed. It's been working fine for decades. It meets everyone's needs.

Women are asking to maintain it.

So for clarity, amongst the noise, it looks like the BSUH took a great deal of advice from Rowan

Who is a person in their early 20s who read biology at Oxford.

Who delivered a 'how to deal with TERFS' presentation last year at NUS Women's conference.

This person has contributed to documents at an NHS Trust that confidently state that Clare's right to state that she wants a biological female to carry out her mammogram (they deleted that bit) is 'highly discriminatory' and an 'unacceptable communication'.

FFS

Activists are complaining that certain trans people who don't like the sex they are would not be accepted as the sex they want to be. Even if we did have an entirely female-staffed ward, these activists are saying that a male born person should be unquestionably accepted as a person on that female only ward. That's point here. Whether anyone thinks it is practicable or reasonable to have a HCP of their own sex is neither here nor there.

Fortunately the average man is much less likely to feel uncomfortable being treated by a female ( although that is not always the case) power differences , much less likely to have been abused etc

There is no need to restrict everything to same sex, there is just a need to recognise that sometimes it is necessary, and in some cases the need is so common that it's worth accepting that as the norm.

Yeah. It would be ridiculously difficult to implement this system we have right now and have had for years

Well it's sort of relevent because if you don't think it's ever necessary to have a same sex HCP then the sex of the HCP is irrelevant, so a female identifying Male would be just the same as any other male

So someone wanting to be accepted as the other sex is only relevent if there is an reason for sex segregation?

Because, ime, male hcps have always been aware of privacy and not appearing inappropriate.

Really? Not my experience with the surgeon who removed a lump from my shoulder who got me to strip to my bra at a follow-up appointment and then didn’t even examine the healing wound, just looked me up and down, smirked and went back to writing notes. A proper creep. But hey, it never happens, right?

MIdge, it's the standard situation in the NHS that a woman can request to be seen by a female HCP, or have a chaperone if this is not possible.

Whether or not we should have mixed sex or single sex wards is a related question,but it's not exactly the same.

The activists here are obviously, to sensible eyes, trying to remove the right to single sex provision. But that's not their framing - they are explicitly saying that the right to ask for a female HCP would remain, and even flimflaming some related nonsense about single sex wards by saying they would insist that the male person in front of you was female.

That's the issue here, as far as I can tell.

Sorry, mixed up a few ideas in there, kids distracting me. I'll clarify later if needed.

I see the BMA are going to be setting up a women’s network- will they take this issue on?
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This is probably the most horrible thread I've encountered. It reeks of the vicious desire to humiliate women at their most vulnerable. Any HCP who is transgender and does not accept that they should be centering the patient not themselves is being unprofessional in the extreme.
I really think my compassion has now run out completely, is this the intention of TRAs?

But hey, it never happens, right?

Did.i say that? No because the post that you quoted clear says in my experience.

Meanwhile according to the GMC, 48% of the UK’s doctors are women. So statistically although not yet representative of the proportion of women in the UK population, we should be able to continue to ask for a woman doctor.. and get one.

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Fortunately the average man is much less likely to feel uncomfortable being treated by a female

I.dont think that's true at all. In fact a poster on here has said that both her and her husband want to be treated by same sex HCP and she considers 90% of the.populatiln to think.like it.

So, why not have all wards staffed by same sex staff?

The NHS using public funds to seek advice on women’s sex based rights from a man who has openly called women TERFs and used a women’s conference to do so. Can’t make this shit up.

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Where are those female drs working though?.there might well be a higher concentration in certain specialties so it.may not be that easy, in some specialties, to have a female Dr.

So I wasn’t going to post this but I think I will. When I was 19 I went to a private male doctor with low mood. He handed me a gown and performed a breast exam. It was presented as “while you are here, to be on the safe side”. There was a female nurse but she was on the other side of the curtain and I doubt she knew why I was there. I was completely confused and came out white as a sheet so much so that my boyfriend asked me what was wrong.

I see the BMA are going to be setting up a women’s network- will they take this issue on?

Hope they steer clear of Harrop et al

So, why not have all wards staffed by same sex staff?

This isn't relevant to the discussion on this thread.

Particularly as the issue would still be women being gaslighted that some 'same sex' staff are in reality opposite sex.

That’s awful Dory and I distinctly remember as a teen in the 80s-90s being warned about that sort of thing going on so it must’ve been a known risk even then

Actually the title and first post don't make it clear that it's about forcing the acceptance of transwomen as women. It says that someone says you should not be able to ask for a natal female.

It's not clear that means implies you can ask for a "female identifying person" as long as you don't restrict it to biology. So that might have led to some meanderings? Cos natal female and female mean the same thing to me.

Yes - the issue is their definition of same sex is not the same as the vast majority of the population’s. They are seeking to bamboozle us. Fucking creepy as hell.

I personally am happy for a male hcp to examine me. However I completely understand why that is not the case for some women. And it’s not a case of some men getting their jollies by looking at my bits but that some women do not want to be touched by a male bodied person regardless of how lovely they are.

Interesting comment from Twitter - it seems as if BSUH might have inadvertently mis-transcribed a pertinent part of EA 2010:

The wording of the Equality Act 2010 has been changed in the BSUH guidelines bsuh.nhs.uk/wp-content/uploads/sites/5/2019/10/Trans-Guidelines-August-2019.pdf page 38, 7.1.1. from 'physiological' to 'psychological' - that's what I call propaganda...

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How come Rowan's feelings matter but mine don't? How come a male HCPs feelings matter but mine don't? How come male feelings are prioritised over the feelings of female rape/abuse survivors?