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Good luck Harry The Owl

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BoreOfWhabylon · 20/11/2019 08:45

Court case today.

twitter.com/WeAreFairCop

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Spero · 21/11/2019 17:19

Glad you found the tweets helpful. I nearly went home at lunch time as was knackered but so glad I didn't as the absolute best bits (out of many) happened after 2pm - Judge recognising TERF is a slur, Humbersides redaction of info showing 'victim' had also made derogatory comments and clear recognition that they don't understand the Equality Act.

A bloody brilliant day. Hard to see how it could have gone any better.

Well done Harry and Team and thanks to all for their support.

Let's hope the tide is turning.

PlayYouLikeAShark · 21/11/2019 17:20

Bloody well done to all, including you spero. Amazing work.

ScrimshawTheSecond · 21/11/2019 17:21

Spero, what a heroic effort. Thank you so, so much. It's so exhilirating to watch the case live tweeted.

Thanks and well done to Harry and Team, too.

CadburysTastesVileNow · 21/11/2019 17:23

Telegraph website says you can get a day pass for a quid, if anyone's interested.

BarbaraStrozzi · 21/11/2019 17:27

Spero you're an absolute hero.

IamEarthymama · 21/11/2019 17:28

On behalf of all GC people, and of course especially on behalf of women, thank you so much to all of you xx

popehilarious · 21/11/2019 17:29

Spero your tweets were brill. Flowers

BarbaraStrozzi · 21/11/2019 17:30

Also well done Harry for having the guts to bring the case, and his legal team who have been awesome.

I just told my DDad all about it, and I think he's going to get hold of his spade a bit later on in case there's an appeal...

clitherow · 21/11/2019 17:31

Thank you, Spero and all at Faircop from Humberside. May you have saved us all from the cerebrally-challenged jackbooted plod.

AutumnCrow · 21/11/2019 17:32

Catching up after work and @Spero thank you so much.

I've been explaining it to people today and they all absolutely get the freedom of speech element and wish Harry well.

OvaHere · 21/11/2019 17:33

Well done Spero and to all at FC. I hope the publicity raises the coffers too.

LangCleg · 21/11/2019 17:33

Glad you found the tweets helpful.

Helpful? Fucking brilliant, more like!

I haven't forgotten the fab podcast either.

You've been an absolute star, Sarah. More thanks from me than you can imagine.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 21/11/2019 17:37

Shame on anyone waving at you monitors who's ever used the slur t*rf. You disgust me, you hypocritical bullies.

Well done tweeters, and hole diggers, and especially Harry for putting himself through this for us all. Well done @mnhq for giving us this platform, you were bloody brave.

I feel really optimistic we are turning a corner.

NotAtMyAge · 21/11/2019 17:40

Having just signed up to the 30 day free trial sub to the Telegraph (which is unlikely to be extended Smile) here is the leader on Harry's case:

Police officers cannot take it upon themselves to act as the custodians of proper opinion

If there is an event that captures the lunacies of modern life, it is a hearing currently taking place in the High Court in London. The case concerns a complaint about allegedly “transphobic” remarks and the police response. Harry Miller, himself a former police officer, tweeted comments about gender that a member of the public reported to Humberside constabulary.

An investigation was carried out and even though Mr Miller was told he had not committed any crime, his activity has been recorded as a hate incident under guidelines set out by the College of Policing, which oversees force standards. It defines a hate event as “any non-crime incident which is perceived, by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender”.

Mr Miller is suing the college for suppressing free speech and shutting down legitimate debate about proposed changes in the law on gender recognition. This expansion of Orwellian thought crime must be stopped and reversed. It is unacceptable for the police to take it upon themselves to act as the custodians of what is right and wrong opinion when no criminal behaviour is involved – especially when they claim to be too overstretched to investigate crimes like burglary or drug dealing in broad daylight.

The College of Policing was set up in 2012 as the professional body in England and Wales. Its purpose is “to provide those working in policing with the skills and knowledge necessary to prevent crime, protect the public and secure public trust”. In that case, it is time it focused on what matters to the public – or be replaced by a body that will.

GenderfreeJoe · 21/11/2019 17:40

Thank you Spero, your tweets were outstanding ❤️

Lordamighty · 21/11/2019 17:41

Those tweets were amazing, I really would have loved to have been there.

thefoothillsofharassment · 21/11/2019 17:45

I’m just delurking to show my appreciation for Harry and Co, and to say thank you for the excellent coverage. Been telling my husband about it all and, having read the Twitter feed, he’s mentioned getting his spade out for a good old dig.

Michelleoftheresistance · 21/11/2019 17:50

Spero Marvellous, marvellous job. Flowers

Fantastic that facts and actual law were spoken and insisted on.

And yes, the police essentially arguing that they have the right to intimidate members of the public is really not a good look.

Not even intimidating to enforce actual law, but intimidating, in a partisan way, on behalf of a faction political ideology that has never been in any manifesto and which actively misrepresents British law to its own advantage.

That's what shocks me the most. And to try and suppress negative evidence.... the police have no business involving themselves in politics or representing and enforcing any one political view. It's incompatible with their job, it's against their own regulations. And to be writing 28 page pages and spending how many hours running around enforcing non sanctions for non crimes against non criminals? While saying they can't attend burglaries and domestic violence call outs?

It beggars belief. I will be sending the final outcomes and links to the court case to my MP, because if he doesn't see this as a bloody shameful thing to have happened on his watch then there is no way I'll vote for him.

APerkyPumpkin · 21/11/2019 17:53

Thanks Spero.
Thanks Harry.
What a ride.

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 21/11/2019 17:56

Spero
The live tweeting, talk about skills! Phenomenal 😎
Well done to all at FC.Will be digging tmrw.

T0tallyFuckedUpFamily · 21/11/2019 17:56

I may have missed it, but did Mumsnet get a mention? Waves shyly to the Judge, just in case. 😁

Redshoeblueshoe · 21/11/2019 17:58

Well done Spero Gin

BoreOfWhabylon · 21/11/2019 17:58

@Spero Flowers

I'm also loving the judge!

I understand he's on Twitter - someone should draw his attention to this thread [grn]

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PurpleHoodie · 21/11/2019 18:00

Thank you Spero

I could have been there today but...'reasons'.

Your Tweeting was SO much better however Flowers

ProfessorSlocombe · 21/11/2019 18:04

Not even intimidating to enforce actual law, but intimidating, in a partisan way, on behalf of a faction political ideology that has never been in any manifesto and which actively misrepresents British law to its own advantage.[]That's what shocks me the most.

Well it's nothing new. Maybe new to some. But when it was being used against others, there was not a murmur. In fact there was probably a tacit "that's OK then" ...

Part of living in a society is we all have to look out for each other. Always. If we let prejudices allow us to be blind when others are shat on, we shouldn't be surprised when it happens to us.