Good luck Harry The Owl

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Court case today.

twitter.com/WeAreFairCop

There are a few guesses but any speculation would likely be deleted.

I've developed a crush on the judge too.

Ova that's pretty much what the police said to me. "You can't have been that upset about it or you would have reported it before."

I was inclined to assume it was the lawyer-esque one who has, in a dictionary-worthy example of projection, referred to this case as a "vanity lawsuit."

But did they say the complainant is not on Twitter? If I've got that right it would rule out most of the usual suspects.

"TinselAngel

So am I understanding it correctly that Harry's team were able to say to the judge "We've got hardly anything to add, your honour, you've already said it all for us?"

Yes. Exactly that.

Yes. Exactly that

I'm so relieved that the judge was only interested in the actual law. Can't say fairer than that.

Humberside Police: this is a scandal.

Ova that's pretty much what the police said to me. "You can't have been that upset about it or you would have reported it before."

Not sure how judicial review works, but does the judge have to give leave to appeal?

They do, and they usually refuse (IME - ex criminal justice system employee here) in which case CoP/HP would have to apply to the Court of Appeal for leave to appeal, and IIRC there has to be a "realistic prospect of success". So being able to appeal is not a given.

The alleged transphobia side of this is very interesting, but as Fair Cop have said, this goes way beyond that.

It should be of interest for anyone interested in the Twitter joke trial, or anyone on social media who cares about the legalities of what they're allowed to say or the consequences of saying literally anything that anyone disagrees with.

Fascinating stuff, even the assertion that Tweets are work with intent to be disseminated etc which was a bit

So am I understanding it correctly that Harry's team were able to say to the judge "We've got hardly anything to add, your honour, you've already said it all for us?" [] Yes. Exactly that.

The cynic in me wonders if this will be leveraged at CoA to suggest the judge was not impartial. In which case be prepared for more legal sparkle, as the CoA note that having a clear case is not grounds for appeal and the claimant can hardly be blamed if the defence obfuscate their case to buggery.

I can't see how an appeal could be beneficial to them, at all. We all know what cards are on the table now. The lot.

Particularly as the complainant might well be deemed to have sent offensive material them self.

It appeared to me that the more information that came out, the worse it looked.

The alleged transphobia side of this is very interesting, but as Fair Cop have said, this goes way beyond that. It should be of interest for anyone interested in the Twitter joke trial, or anyone on social media who cares about the legalities of what they're allowed to say or the consequences of saying literally anything that anyone disagrees with.

Despite their efforts, it's not all about the trans ...

This case goes to the heart of general police behaviour and the ingrained attitude they have that they can do what they like "because they is plod". There have been plenty of instances where law abiding people have been approached - having committed no offence - by police who have decided to throw their weight around.

I've just bought, for the first time, a copy of the Daily Telegraph to read the excellent editorial. Can we expect similar from the Guardian?? The walk to the newsagents was good for me given that I have been glued to the sofa and my phone throughout this and Maya's hearings. I had thought of attending the Fair Cop case but am glad I donated my rail fare to London to the crowdfunder instead - the live tweeting, including asides, was a joy so many thanks to the tweeter. I agree the judge was fab and hope he raises the question of why the police have been so lacking in impartiality in their guidance and actions.

It's almost as if the defence misunderstood the case.
Surely they knew they couldn't just keep repeating the stonewall training over and over?

the last time I bought the Telegraph was when they broke the MPs expenses scandal...

This is brilliant. Thank you Harry and all of those @wearefaircop.

Thanks for that OnlyTheTitOfTheIceberg

Would it be possible to do the same for yesterday's please?

My understanding is you can't just appeal because you feel like it, but if you make a case that there was a legal irregularity you can ask.

'It appeared to me that the more information that came out, the worse it looked'

Indeed.
Also, the judge kept on providing us with more and more killer quotes, so an appeal would likely just give us more of the same.

This and the Maya Forstater case have had me frantically pressing F5 all week. I am so glad this is getting the sunlight it deserves and that the judges in both cases seem to have their heads screwed on.

I am so glad this is getting the sunlight it deserves and that the judges in both cases seem to have their heads screwed on.

Sunlight has a cleansing effect

But remember how slim the thread of freedom is. It was only two months ago that the UKs judicial system was blasted and derided as partisan. Probably by the same people that are cheering the CoP on.

That judge.

Pure forensic viagra.

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Bloody hell! I missed all this as I was dragged into work today as my job share other half is poorly...so have been lecturing all day. And then didn't get to my phone at lunchtime...cos of stuff.
Bloody bloody bloody hell!

Sorry...nothing to add to it all but

Bloody hell!