Good luck Harry The Owl

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Court case today.

twitter.com/WeAreFairCop

But are we human?

Or are we dancer?

what if you identify as a puppy?

This lack of clarity, this ambiguity, must be intentional.

I don't know, it probably didn't occur to anyone how open to abuse it could be. I'm sure all this stuff was originally adopted in good faith to tackle racism etc.
I mean who would have thought that one day it could be used by a man with a gender identity to report another man to the police for tweeting a rude (non-)limerick, and the police would take him seriously because they had just been on a course about gender jelly babies and ladybrains?
FFS.

Well done FC!

The lack of definition is deliberate. Its aim is to impose silence

Yep.

What crime are they so frantically trying to prevent?

Disobedience

One of the cornerstones of any legal system - for it to deliver justice - is that what is and is not permitted or prohibited is known clearly in advance by all citizens. Thus allowing a decent law abiding person to conduct themselves in such a way so as to not break the law.

If you remove that precept, you have kicked away the chocks that hold the ship of society safely, and begin a slow descent down the slipway until the whole edifice crashes into a sea of tyranny.

There is even a legal precept "dog-laws", after Jeremy Bentham (not someone you'd instinctively refer to in such cases) ...

"It is the judges (as we have seen) that make the common law. Do you know how they make it? Just as a man makes laws for his dog. When your dog does anything you want to break him of, you wait till he does it, and then beat him for it. This is the way you make laws for your dog: and this is the way the judges make law for you and me. They won't tell a man beforehand what it is he should not do - they won't so much as allow of his being told: they lie by till he has done something which they say he should not have done, and then they hang him for it.

Be interesting to see if it's cited tomorrow . Call it my pro-bono contribution.

The conservative woman link defines a hate incident as:

‘any non-crime perceived by the victim or any other person to be motivated by hostility or prejudice based on a person’s race or perceived race / religion or perceived religion / sexual orientation or perceived sexual orientation / disability or perceived disability / transgender or perceived to be transgender.’

This might be a stupid question but could women use sexual orientation as a basis for hate incidents that appear to be motivated by hostility or prejudice, whatever their sexual orientation?

Surely being called a cunt would make a woman feel victimised? If the woman feels that the term is being used in a way connected to her sexual orientation then wouldn't she be able to report it as a hate incident?

Anyone who is there - I could actually come to London tomorrow. Is it still going to be worth it? Is there much to come do you know?

All of this is so amazing I want to see some of it live

One of the cornerstones of any legal system - for it to deliver justice - is that what is and is not permitted or prohibited is known clearly in advance by all citizens. Thus allowing a decent law abiding person to conduct themselves in such a way so as to not break the law.

Well said. And as you correctly point out, if instead of clarity, there is fear and confusion, that is a failure of the state and its agents. This is the West in the 21st century. It’s just incredible

Surely being called a cunt would make a woman feel victimised? If the woman feels that the term is being used in a way connected to her sexual orientation then wouldn't she be able to report it as a hate incident?

and a man being called "a cock" ?

I think The Counsel for the Defense is 2BoysandaCairn.

Professor "and a man being called "a cock" ?"

Erm, maybe...

From The Guardian reporting.

"The guidance defines a hate incident as “any non-crime incident which is perceived, by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender”.

Eh?!

Nothing about Race, or Sexual Orientation?

Pffft.

Anyway. I want to know why Stoat is wearing flares.

Im off to Style n Beauty where the Real hardcore vipers hang out.

Well it's the guardian so no nothing else matters.

Ha the body language of beardy bloke in that pic is the definitive pictorial representation of mansplaining!!!

Isn't it just? And the way Posie's stance just says so clearly "who is this fuckwit?"

All about the T, honey.

What happens tomorrow?

Does it continue where it left off?

I hope this judge is as sensible and rational as he sounds. It's absolutely shocking that it takes pitching up at a court (at considerable cost) to force review of patently damaging, illogical and plain flaky policing.

Maya, Harry, but how many others? How much infiltration and damage needs to be rectified? The coverage from court this week has been uplifting but you still can't help feel that, even if they both win, it's only the tip of the iceberg.

"The guidance defines a hate incident as “any non-crime incident which is perceived, by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender”.

Yeah, transgender is not a protected characteristic.

How people cannot see this as being weaponised to create mischief is very alarming.

I hope the judge has some guts here. Because this is pivotal, and could go all the way.

It's absolutely shocking that it takes pitching up at a court (at considerable cost) to force review of patently damaging, illogical and plain flaky policing.

How else can we keep the riff raff out ?

It really is so mixed up. They talk about inspiring confidence in the community.

Everyone but a handful of bullies is petrified. It's the opposite.

It's the opposite.

And when everyone falls into line Peace will reign!

Everyone who donated to Harry’s Crowdfunder had excellent value today. His barrister sounded very well-prepared and briefed. The FairCop twitter feed makes for riveting reading and a 👍 for the judge.

Call it my pro-bono contribution.

Lmao yes, definitely a tenner's worth of entertainment to be had there! I've spent more for things that weren't half as funny.

Do we know who the unfortunate defence counsel getting reamed was?