Good luck Harry The Owl

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Court case today.

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my pro Bono contribution

Enough recording artistes!

Agree that Ian Wise QC, representing Harry, seems to be well worth everyone's spades.

The Guardian article says it's Jonathan Auburn representing the College of Policing.

Do we know who the unfortunate defence counsel getting reamed was?

Somebody who followed Michael Goves point that we've all had enough of experts ?

The Guardian article says it's Jonathan Auburn representing the College of Policing.

To be fair (claws back in) English law has the cab rank system, and barristers don't get to pick and choose their cases. They can only present the case they are given the best they can. If a client turns up with a hopeless case, but a bag of cash (so that's any official case) the barrister is pretty fucked. Although they doubtless would have explained the strengths and weaknesses of the case to the client (who rarely listens ....)

*What crime are they so frantically trying to prevent?

Disobedience*

Only two years ago I'd have laughed dismissively at this.
Now? Not laughing.

"The guidance defines a hate incident as “any non-crime incident which is perceived, by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice against a person who is transgender or perceived to be transgender”.

Or any other person?

So despite not being black, I can file a complaint on behalf of black people, or a lesbian, or someone who is disabled? Or, in fact, anyone. I can get a mark put on anyone's DBS, any time I Iike. Despite not needing any evidence, or in fact being in possession of any protected characteristic?

Breathtaking.

Is it a bit like when men shout at other men 'Oy! Don't speak to my bird like that'?

That's what it sounds like.

Only of course women can't be victims of hate incidents, even when we are patently being hated purely because we are women.

Finally caught up. Have been checking this all throughout the day, but but bloody work has got in the way! It’s been absolutely riveting

Upcoming item on BBC radio 4 news just trailed....

There is something shameful in using Stephen Lawrence as a human shield isn't there?

I don't think they are.

The idea of recording non-crime hate incidents came from the Macpherson report. I don't think they can avoid the topic:

The definition of a "racist incident" will now include incidents categorised in policing terms both as crimes and non-crimes. It will now encompass "any incident which is perceived to be racist by the victim or any other person". A new Code of Practice will record all such crimes.

The public will be encouraged to report racist incidents by making it possible to report them 24 hours a day, and not only at police stations.

www.theguardian.com/uk/1999/feb/24/lawrence.ukcrime12

Having a good chuckle at the Conservative Woman link:

Mr Miller explained that that meant PC Gull was acting like the Thought Police. He asked PC Gull if he had ever read George Orwell’s Nineteen Eighty-Four. Gull hadn’t, of course, and Mr Miller explained that it was a dystopian novel and not a police handbook.

PC Gull then explained to Mr Miller: ‘What you have to understand, Mr Miller, is that sometimes a female brain grows with the wrong body parts and that is what being trans is.’

Mr Miller asked if that was the official definition of trans. PC Gull said: ‘Yes, I’ve been on a course.’

It does read like something out of Tom Sharpe.

I'm aware of the cab rank rule, am a solicitor. Just wondered who drew the short straw on this one!

I think that Wharton this, and the Maya case has shown is that we have to fight back in court.

Wharton? . The auto correct on MN is astounding at times

Also if we can complain on behalf of unspecified others who have a protected trait that we don't, I found yesterday's Rachel Dolezal claims pretty fucking offensive.

It's on BBC R4 news now.

Everyone is in possession of a protected characteristic because all ethnicities are covered.

Just dipping in to quickly comment - something I've noticed from the press reports. "Alleged" being used to describe "transphobia/transphobic posts/comment". I may have missed this but I can't remember seeing alleged used as frequently when discussing this topic, in the press, especially by those better known for their 'woke' credentials.

Interesting times...

Tired beat me to.it.

I just saw our favourite golfing lawyer call HM's case a vanity law suit. The lack of self awareness is astou.

*astounding

Wasn't it tweeted that AH was there doing what AH does best - gloating
I bet he's not gloating now

Seems like the concept of recording non-crime hate incidents as recommended by the Macpherson report was a poorly thought out and shortsighted exercise. As far as I'm aware, there hasn't been any thorough examination of whether the Macpherson report has actually been implemented properly and if it has actually been able to achieve its aims in terms of reducing or preventing racist incidents.

I guess people wouldn't haven't known then that many years later we would have transgender ideology using such mechanisms to harass and penalise people they disagree with.
Still, it's a massive loophole and one that needs to be addressed asap.

SH whooooo?

Meh.

Someone with a law degree who is forbidden from practising Law in the UK - and other countries - as a Solicitor or Barrister due to gaining serious criminal convictions that are on file.