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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Posie Parker on Triggernometry

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Childrenofthestones · 15/11/2019 22:03

Posie in discussion titled "Trans women are men" with Francis Foster and Konstantin Kisin on their YT show Triggernometry.
This is a promo clip, the full show goes out Sunday evening.

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Triggerpod · 20/11/2019 18:29

It's hate speech!!! Grin

FloralBunting · 20/11/2019 18:43

Bloody snowflake comedians.

AnyFucker · 20/11/2019 18:54

It's free speech ! truth

OhHolyJesus · 20/11/2019 19:11

Slight derail

I'm sure Julie Bindel identifies as a Guardian journalist so it's hate speech that she is being forced to conform to Daily Mail journalism.

Sometimes you've just got to lower your standards...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3865632/I-m-grateful-grew-children-don-t-fit-stereotypes-assumed-transgender-Feminist-activist-Julie-Bindel-danger-playing-gender-politics-young-lives.html?fbclid=IwAR2aU3OW9upk1TTh39rILrw89sMbJXYkypzqWI8dHfzjj_pjF8QcEMGXWMg

NeurotrashWarrior · 20/11/2019 21:21

OMG!

Just catching up.

I can't believe it's been deleted. Just agog. very much welcome to the world of women being silenced.

@Triggerpod What concerns me most - and which you agreed with - was the section about children. This is beginning to become a safeguarding nightmare and people need to be aware of the issues.

Expertly highlighted in the article by Julie Bindel above.

I was really glad to hear one of you was a teacher; you will understand a little if how easy it is for a teacher with a passion to influence an entire culture.

The way ofsted and the curriculum are moving, there is MUCH more internal organisation - individual teachers are subject leaders, in charge of what's taught in the curriculum (content) and are seeking out CPD. Reading is huge; books need to be in all subjects.

This sounds tin hatted but so many private organisations - funded by the tra lobby - are delivering content to schools that states that girls are trapped in boys' bodies. Books are being written for primary schools (here is the latest tripe, by an actual teacher.)

This Is Me: The Girl Who Was Really a Boy https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/190932079X/ref=cmswwrcppapiii_Z3A1DbZA1K3E5

Young girls are cutting off their breasts in a bid to be either male or non binary (default is Male).

Clinicians are resigning and speaking out and still their words are not being heeded.

WTAF

And the people speaking out are being silenced.

Posie's last comment on your film was key. Popping this extremely important link in here in case you, or anyone else hasn't seen it.

Posie Parker on Triggernometry
Posie Parker on Triggernometry
Posie Parker on Triggernometry
NeurotrashWarrior · 20/11/2019 21:29

Another really important thread Konstantin, regarding the erosion of boundaries and safeguarding.

A number of people do not want the truth to be told, for particular reasons.

We’re Still Here Conference 8th September: A report from the inside www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3398737-We-re-Still-Here-Conference-8th-September-A-report-from-the-inside

NeurotrashWarrior · 20/11/2019 21:30

And I'd gladly debate the brain in wrong body bit with you Smile

LangCleg · 20/11/2019 22:10

This is another corker of a thread in which Stephen Whittle does a marvellous job of outlining precisely what little regard genderist activism has for child safeguarding.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3212371-Where-are-all-the-trans-men-An-Answer

TheShoesa · 21/11/2019 06:14

Triggerpod

We're working on getting the story to go into the mainstream media - amazingly they really don't want to bite

And that is why the general public are unaware of the scale of what is going on. As with previous posters I have learnt so much here, but people I talk to in real life are sceptical about the issues I raise because they haven't seen anything in the media.

When things do break through - sport being a recent example - there are comments of 'But why is no-one talking about this?!'

We are talking about this, but are not being heard. Frustrating, isn't it?

NeurotrashWarrior · 21/11/2019 06:42

P.s the gendered brain by Gina Rippon is 1.99 on kindle .

I love this photo of her telling young women their brains are their brains.

Posie Parker on Triggernometry
NeurotrashWarrior · 21/11/2019 06:44

Better pic to be seen here

twitter.com/fhsregentspark/status/1196467804247134208?s=21

StrangeLookingParasite · 21/11/2019 07:23

It seems to be back up now.

Datun · 21/11/2019 07:28

Good Lord. So it does.

Datun · 21/11/2019 07:28

@Triggerpod

What happened??

Toorahtoorahaye · 21/11/2019 09:23

Wow - why did they put it back up? Watched it last night in another platform - great interview.

definitelygc · 21/11/2019 09:49

@NeurotrashWarrior - thanks for sharing re. Gina Rippon's Gendered Brain. I was quite enjoying the podcast until we got to this bit:

"But men and women have different brains and so why couldn't a man be born with a woman's brain?"

Even Posie was rendered speechless. 20 years ago if someone said this we all would have thought they were joking. It's amazing how many intelligent people actually think there's such a thing as "born in the wrong body". Come on guys - use your "manly brains"!

definitelygc · 21/11/2019 09:53

Also I couldn't work out whether the "men have more money and less feelings" bit was a joke or not.

Given the current rates of suicide in the male population I think what you mean is "men have more money and repressed feelings"

FloralBunting · 21/11/2019 09:59

I really don't understand the men as less emotional idea. The ones I know sob like babies at football and comic book movies, get angry at sport and politics programmes and in traffic, and double take and lose all concentration at the sight of exposed skin on an attractive person. Men are no more logical and less emotional than women, even if we go by stereotypes.

Anyway...

Triggerpod · 21/11/2019 10:44

Video is back up. Absolutely no explanation provided by YouTube. I guess the caved to the bad PR.

The "men have more money and fewer feelings" is a joke. As all good jokes it's based on truth. Note that it's not a joke which suggests women are more emotional, rather they have more emotions. There is absolutely no doubt that women, on average, have a much wider emotional repertoire than men.

And they're more emotional, of course Grin

There is plenty of evidence that men and women's brains are different. Do you honestly think it's possible to have statistically significant variations in average skillsets, preferences and behaviour without brain differences? I looked stunned in our interview by Posie's assertion that the only difference is size because it's absurd.

""Our studies are finding significant differences in the brain circuitry of men and women, even when they're doing the same thing: It's like two people driving from Philadelphia to New York, who take different routes, but end up at the same place," says Ragini Verma, PhD, associate professor at the University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia.

Her team has looked at nearly 2,000 healthy people, including kids, teens, and young adults who took various tests of their mental skills. Differences in their "brain road maps" (scientifically known as "the connectome") can explain why males outperform females on certain tests of mental skills, while females have the edge in others."

www.webmd.com/brain/features/how-male-female-brains-differ#2

My personal view is that there are significant physical, biological and neurological differences between men and women on average as a result of evolution which are reflected in aptitutes, preferences and behaviour. Blank slatism is like biological communism, an attempt to pretend away human nature.

Anyway, I'm not going to engage further on this issue as I doubt we'll ever agree on it. Grin

ScapaFlo · 21/11/2019 10:53

You do know that some of the 'brain differences' are the result of early socialisation and training? Brains are plastic. Girls are discouraged at a very early age to be physical and this affects spatial awareness development. And vice versa. I know of one small boy who never had to do anything physical - was even carried up and down stairs when he was 5 or 6 - because of his mum's hatred of physical activity. At 18 he really struggled to learn to drive as he had so little spatial awareness.

ZuttZeVootEeeVro · 21/11/2019 10:58

Do you have any evidence that male transpeople have female brains? If it were possible to test with any certainty, why isnt that used in diagnosis?

I suspect many men support mens right to be women because they don't understand, fear even, the rejection of a penis. (The response 40 mins in, reflects this)

OvaHere · 21/11/2019 10:59

When things do break through - sport being a recent example - there are comments of 'But why is no-one talking about this?!'

I spend a fair bit of time on social media responding to those comments plus all the 'where are the feminists?' comments with explanations and links as to exactly how much organised pushback IS going on.

OvaHere · 21/11/2019 11:12

My personal view is that there are significant physical, biological and neurological differences between men and women on average as a result of evolution which are reflected in aptitutes, preferences and behaviour. Blank slatism is like biological communism, an attempt to pretend away human nature.

I don't completely subscribe to the blank slate hypothesis. I don't think it's unreasonable to conclude some difference in brain development may result from differing chromosomes and hormone levels.

However as ScapaFlo points out the brain is very plastic and studies have shown that girls are interacted with in quite different ways from boy infants right from being newborn.

I feel it's difficult to be absolutist in either direction. What I do know is that concepts of inherent lady brain are used to disempower and discourage girls.

definitelygc · 21/11/2019 11:24

@Triggerpod - I know you said you don't want to engage but did you actually read that WebMD article?

"Overall, the findings suggest that "human brains do not belong to one of two distinct categories.""

We know that hormones influence brain development in the womb, yet before age 13, boys' and girls' mental circuitry appears similar.

No one is denying hormones affect the brain but your assertion that male and female brains are structured differently is not correct. Read Gina Rippon. And if hormones are the main driver of the changes in brain circuitry between men and women then a man who has gone through puberty and flooded with testosterone cannot have a "woman's brain". It's absurd.

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 21/11/2019 11:26

Get Sophie Scott on, Konstantin. She's a great speaker, very funny, a neuroscientist, and knows Quite A Lot about brains and sex and would be ideal for unpicking the issues with you.

Of course, despite her lady brain, her scientific findings are that you are quite wrong that there is a sex difference between brains. She's not alone in this, there is compelling evidence that brains are not sexed organs.

She also did research into what humour is, she's very interesting to listen to.

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