Another rough sex defence

[Imnobody4]

I'm really at a loss to comprehend what has happened to the jury here, I'm speechless. Juries no longer serve justice.
metro.co.uk/2019/11/04/man-cleared-savage-attack-girlfriend-claims-injured-weird-sex-game-11039580/

Driech he backed off after. I think it was his own expression of disbelief, that there must be more to it that we don't know yet.

He was unaware of 'we can't consent to that', and all the similar cases there have been. He isn't now.

As our parents used to say 'and if she told you to jump off a cliff, would you do it?' 'She wanted him to' my arse.

I thought this would be about Grace too as I was reading about the trial this morning.
It's truly sickening.

The case is in New Zealand Mumsnet. Surely their courts don’t have reach over here.

How on earth is stating that a news article is commonly available online (telegraph , independent etc) a breach of guidelines? There was nothing in my post which was a legal issue, I was very careful there wasn’t.

Woke up today still thinking about this. I do not understand how we have a law which essentially says you cannot give someone the right to assault you, even if you actually did ask them to. Quite rightly, it is not legal to punch someone in the face just because they asked you to.

So why the hell are these men getting away with these wild claims that women asked the man to slash them on the back, beat them black and blue, do terrible, life-ending things with cleaning spray that I still cry thinking about? Ah yes. Our esteemed legal system has decreed that rape isn’t really an issue, “rough sex” is a valid defence and women don’t matter. Utterly horrific.

"The law needs to be changed so that it's always illegal to hit or strangle or injur someone, or do somthing that is likely to injure someone."

That is what the law says. In English law, you cannot consent to be assaulted. Inexplicably, the judiciary ignore this.

Have found an earlier report of his evidence from trial. Apparently she knocked him unconscious while she attacked herself. So was the jury convinced by the drinking or by the ludicrous story 'why would she do this to me?' or felt he wasn't responsible 'cos mental health.
www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/kane-elliott-trial-cwmbran-court-17173902

Coincidentally, I watched a tv programme last night where the murderer used the same defence.

Yes I watched it too.

"The defendant said he had only known Rhiannon Davies for around two weeks and they had a sexual relationship."

Two weeks.

He accuses her of being violent, but she's the one who ends up running into the street terrified, slashed and strangled.

There are certain levels of harm to which a person cannot consent, and anything which constitutes GBH (such as being slashed with a knife) would be included in this. The judiciary know this and have chosen to ignore it. How the hell is this being allowed? And how are we meant to believe that a woman could slash her own back? Didn't anyone look at the wounds and calculate the likelihood that they were self-inflicted?

It is basically now legal for men to seriously assault and kill women, as long as they claim that it was what they wanted. It is the constant stream of cases like this that has informed my decision to stay the hell away from men for the rest of my life, because it is a serious compromise of any woman's personal safety to become involved with them.

I also thought this was about Grace.
What message does this send out? I'm at a loss I really am. If any campaigning politician happens to knock my door I may ask them what their view is on the increase in "rough sex" as a defence.

The 'we can't consent to this' website is so upsetting. Those poor women. I'm honestly finding this misogyny and violent acts against women more terrifying than anything else at the moment. What's the point in saving the world from climate change if this is the future we are heading towards for women

Seeing tweets suggesting women add I am not into rough sex etc on their Tinder profiles, or adding a clause to their wills saying if I'm found dead with bruises or strangulation marks this was not a sex game and it was not consensual, it was murder

What's happening

I can’t get over him getting away with this.
Just WHAT would he have to have done to get convicted? Attacked her in the police station ?
No justice for that poor woman.

I'm at a loss I really am.

Me too.
Can we do something? I don't want my daughter growing up in a world where this happens.

Justice my arse. The system is geared to further traumatise and deter women, while protecting men.

Time and time again juries prove that a man's freedom and reputation is more important than an actual woman or her life.

But no there is no rape culture in the UK and everyone is innocent until proven guilty.

Can we do something?

Yes you can - we've got a clarification of the law which Harriet Harman and Mark Garnier (Natalie Connolly's family's MP) have proposed. This was attached to the Domestic Abuse bill and now we are having a general election that bill "falls away". We need election candidates to commit to bring the bill back, and the amendments to end rough sex defences. Please ask your local candidates to commit to doing this.

We've got details here: wecantconsenttothis.uk/actnow

Sickening - I can’t believe how women are treated in 2019, feels like an onslaught from so many angles.

So I’ll help in any way I can but I’m unable to access the website, unsure if it’s because on my mobile?

I've a thread on AIBU on this topic which would greatly benefit from more feminist input.

What's it called whine, I can't see it.

Perhaps this case could be recorded even though this poor woman thankfully survived?

Yes, we've got a list of women who survive.

There are 100 sample cases we've found of non-fatal assault which is claimed to be "rough sex" by the accused. All the accused are male. There are three high profile "case law" cases: R v Brown (gay men in consensual sadomasochism) and two others which had a female victim.

In every single other non-fatal assault which is claimed to be "rough sex", the victim is female, the accused is male, and the woman says she did not consent to the violence.

we have a briefing on all this wecantconsenttothis.uk/s/WCCTT-briefing-Consent-Defences-2019-09.pdf

I’m unable to access the website
Hmmm - it's getting plenty traffic through. Feel free to dm me your mobile provider as it might be getting blocked for some reason.

Sorry about that

I am just reading your thread on AIBU, Whineup. I am trying to formulate something coherent to post but I find it harder and harder these days. I have no patience and no time for these people (not the word I want to use) who jump on threads defending fucking men. It makes me absolutely sick. It's like a war on women from all sides and other women are fighting on the side of the men.

WhineUp I've been reading your thread and I have to wonder where these fucking men come from every single time to offer a wide-eyed defence of choking and try to convince us that they only ever did it because their girlfriends wanted them to. They didn't like doing it but what choice did they have? It's all such bullshit. Why exactly do they think they can't say no to sexual acts they're not comfortable with? Luckily, practically everyone else on the thread is calling them out on it, although the "breath play" apologists have also turned up, I see.

That is what the law says. In English law, you cannot consent to be assaulted. Inexplicably, the judiciary ignore this.

When do the judiciary ignore this?

This was a jury trial. It was a decision of a jury not a judge.