It’s official; Marks and Spencer have fallen, the sequel.......

[MrsSnippyPants]

First thread getting full and and I continue to be interested in responses received to people’s emails and store visits.

Their debt is 10 times their profit-it’s not looking good. If you have shares-ditch them!

Despite this, what’s the betting uppity feminists get the blame when it crashes and burns?

I'm another one still boycotting Ocado. Also YHA, Guardian and Flora. So I'm adding M&S to the list now. It doesn't bother me what other shoppers do and I don't expect my actions to have an impact on their profits but I'm damned if I'll support them when there are countless other alternatives. In a capitalist society where you choose to spend or not spend your money is essentially a political act.

Times article on drop in profits- not sure if the comments come through as well but a lot of comments mention mixed sex changing rooms and boycotts of M&S.

Profits dive at struggling M&S

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/profits-dive-as-m-s-struggles-to-get-back-in-fashion-rpswfbx2p?shareToken=df33902e3313173f489f27624a90e95d

3 women murdered by men a week, and we are the bad guys for wanting to have single sex spaces?

My email from M+S said "Society has moved on". Tell that to all the raped, abused and scared women that you are trying to sell tights to, you bunch of bastards.

M+S = Misogynist and Sinister.

"society has moved on"

Bollocks it has.

They can repeat that all day, it does not make it true. Quite apart from the morality of M&S supporting this imagined 'society' that has subordinated, abandoned and excluded female people.

I'm getting so fed up of retailers feeling entitled to stuff their politics in people's faces. Just sell dairy products and knickers for fucks sake, leave politics out of it. Because as soon as you play this game you make your products unmarketable to all customers who don't share those politics, and you've said goodbye to their money. Good luck making a living from your particular political clique.

Can someone please point me towards the source of the statistic often quoted on here, about how 90- something percent of sexual crimes are committed by men? I want to include it in a communication. Have been googling but can’t find it. I don’t think I can be wording it correctly.

Society will move on when men stop being a danger to women.

Anyway, female shoppers should have the right to privacy and female-only changing rooms when we try on bras. Why should society move on from that?

I was in M&S tonight picking up something for family. (I know - not boycotting yet) I asked a member of staff about the changing rooms and she hadn't heard about the new policy. (Maybe the management hope to just quietly continue business in the usual way.) She did however tell me a worrying story which happened to her. A young teen girl was shopping with a middle aged man she felt to be domineering and controlling. She says she had a bad feeling. He insisted on choosing the girls clothes (she mentioned T shirts) and then seeing how she looked in them. The member of staff was considering talking privately to the girl in the changing rooms when the man barged in. When she tried to stop him he said 'I'm gender neutral you can't stop me'. The staff member never got to speak to the child and she was clearly still concerned about this. Needles to say she was horrified about any rule changes.

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Deeply shocking oneofourdays, but inevitable. How are these policies going to be dealt with by the staff is very worrying...does anyone know what the union position is on this....no guarantee that they toohave been captured.
Re the R 4 item.....if we all knew that it was coming up beforehand, how come the interviewer said she knew nothing about the issue? Surely it is her job to have prepared the interview and research just a little bit to make an interesting programme. Presumably the programmes researchers decided not to inform her. The BBC seems especially determined not to present the actual information that is gender critical.I wonder why.

I love M&S food but will be boycotting from now. I just wish there was a way to log their lost sales with them!

littlecabbage

This is the graph that I used, as it's so transparent. The percentages haven't changed really, to date. But if you google crime by gender (yes, I know it's sex, but what can you do!) you should get several reputable sites like the ONS who will break down the latest stats.

A few years ago when I was drilling down into all this, there were 14,000 men in prison for sex offences and 120 women.

Me! Also always, Flora, Aussie, olay, swifter, Pantene, pret (another issue) - I have a list of companies and businesses built up over the years!

I'm still boycotting ASDA, 20 years and my protest is still strong.

I even threw out my electric toothbrush because it is Braun, but the Philips one is working well.

BouquetOfRoses

Maybe tweet reciepts of what you have spent to them?

@oneofourdays
That is horrendous. Can you get the staff members name? Would she be prepared to go on record?

What’s did ASDA do? I haven’t been to one for years as there aren’t any near us.

That is disturbing, oneofourdays.

I have a genuine question regarding staff.

If a fully intact male who believes they are female is in a female changing room trying on underwear and wants assistance/advice from a female advisor, is that female assistant contractually bound to help him (adjusting bra straps, giving advice on matching knickers etc) even if that assistant would feel uncomfortable? I'm thinking Yaniv style, where the worker may feel forced into a situation where the risk is lose your job or be branded phobic if you don't want to participate in what a male is asking you to do (sorry, worded carefully).

They're recruiting for an assistant here, but I see no mention of having to assist males in female spaces. Note the way it says 'M&S is changing'. I'll say!

hijobs.net/job/129001/customer-assistant-salesfloor

You haven't thought this one through M&S...

You cannot make a female member of staff do this! I’m in central London where you see a fair number of women assistants wearing hijab.

What the hell are they supposed to do? Any person wanting to play merry (racist) hell would surely go up to such a female assistant, like the Case of Canadian the Person (now back on twitter promoting naked all ages swim sessions) who Cannot be Named?

I genuinely don't understand why they don't just say no. We have a policy, based on sex. The end.

Because they have been rainbowed (eek).

The first company to openly and directly say no to this shit will get so much business from women who've been waiting for one of them to have the backbone to do so.

Is trying pants on even a thing? Thought as you cant return them like ear rings you couldn’t try on either? I’ve never tried on pants just look and guess.

Ditto nightwear or anything else you don’t need anyone to advise you if it fits or not. Granted odd dress outfit if you are really stuck and it’s for special occasion but it can’t be norm where loads women are routine asking staff to look at slinky nightie and see if fits ok? How do you then say it’s ok for anyone else to do it?

I feel like fetishists may be the only people who actually try on pants? Would certainly never occur to me to do so. Bikini bottoms, sure.

Akire Not sure, same with swimming costumes.

So let me re phrase that a man is down to his own underwear and trying on a bra/camisole top.
What can a female assistant do or say in that situation?

We've seen how inflamed/aggressive one TRA became just because the store assistant did not call them ma'am.

It's wrong to force assistants to indulge in fantasy or place these women assistants at risk in this way.

A boycott may cause damage, but surely it is more about image.

M&S food is supposed to be a treat. A bit of luxury. All those ads showing glossy chocolate puds with a breathy voice telling us that their products are special. For many of us that image is now tarnished and will be hard to rebuild.

My assumption is that they have calculated that a backlash by MN types will be more that made up for by the benefits of others seeing M&S as part of the woke generation up there with the hipster Guardian and ...Flora.

What I find odd is the patronising way that M&S seems to see its older middle class customers. Their data may suggest that older customers buy their frumpy clothes, but that is probably because many of us have already gone elsewhere. My heart sinks when I walk past their clothes to get to the food, and I rarely stop to browse. (And if I do I am shocked at their prices for quite ordinary stuff.) If I have time to kill in a town centre I am more likely to look round Fatface than Marks. Marks may want younger customers, but us older customers want younger shops.