Trans kids

[Macareaux]

This is an interesting article in a US publication about trans kids and rapid onset gender dysphoria.

After considering many aspects of the issue and anecdotal reports and data, the writer comes to the the conclusion that the distilled problem is that there is no way of determining which children are truly trans and which are not.

If we are to progress then sooner or later these mainstream writers are going to have to have the courage to say that there is no such thing as a transgender child.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/11/andrew-sullivan-hard-questions-gender-transitions-for-young.html

I do hope there's a reasonable number of lurkers watching how FrackOff is arguing and making up their own minds.

Already counsellors have contacted me to say they're worried that if a young client — say a 16-year-old — comes to them with a number of mental health issues or a history of sexual abuse and says, 'I want to transition', that it won't be safe for them to say, 'Well, let's look at this

Right. Then that is a problem yes.

Jeez frack. You can’t just go calling a person transphobic.

And naming them on here.

What sort of thing is that to do

If I was carl heneghan I would not be happy with what you said and what you implied about him

It's a massive problem Fieldofgreycorn.

James Caspian has dedicated his life to trans healthcare. He has been treated appallingly for advocating for his patients' best interests in the face of extreme political pressure.

We cannot allow medical treatment, especially the treatment of children, to be influenced by politics in this way.

The word "problematic" is now as useless as the word "transphobic".

In fact any word with "ic" on the end just makes me cringe now.

LumpySpacedPrincess

"Yes ace, my daughter, her friend, my niece, several other girls in her school. Luckily my daughter and her friend seem to have come out of it, they are dating and don't conform to sexist stereotypes, why should they!"

Do you have any thoughts on how your daughter changed her thinking on this?

There are a few references here to 'baby dykes'.

I am aware that some young women who have de-transitioned (like one the Pique Resistance women) have said they were afraid of being lesbian etc. So I think it is very true that some women are pulled into transitioning because of their sexuality.

However, there are an increasing number of gay trans men and I wonder if there is any constructive thinking on this. Yes, I've heard of two gay trans men together, but I am thinking of specifically a trans man with a natal male partner, and what that means for someone identifying as gay, male and trans.

It's actually quite hard to find anything on line about this but I did find this website, which i cannot see a date on...

www.thetaskforce.org/wonky-wednesday-trans-people-sexual-orientation/

I do feel that the lumping together of all trans men as lesbians is not helpful. Not saying anyone here has done that but I have heard it.

‘Gay trans men’ do you mean heterosexual females?

'Gay' transmen may also find society's prejudices about and expectations of women unbearable. May also feel distress and confusion about their developing bodies, about the lack of fit between them and their feminine peers.

So many of us heterosexual, possibly autistic, often non-conforming MNers have commented that we would have been transed 30-40 years ago.

@littlbrowndog I agree and have reported my post and asked for it to be removed

Birdsfoottrefoil

‘Gay trans men’ do you mean heterosexual females?'

Yes, I mean heterosexual females who identify as gay trans men, what is going on there? Because the argument they are lesbians doesn't work. I'm not 'defending' identifies I'm trying to understand them.

Yes, JellySlice, I agree, especially svput the autism. But is this a relatively new phenomimun, and if so why now?

svput = about !!

Do some digging on the term "fujoshi" and you may understand better. Every "gay trans man" I've encountered was one at some point.

(Can't explain more directly because MNHQ already have me on the naughty step.)

TheProdigalKittensReturn

YES fucking anime, fucking Yuri on Ice. !!!!

You know what is transphobic?

Expecting transgender people to accept a lower standard of evidenced medical treatment than other people. Telling them experimental medicine is ok outside of a properly controlled research setting. Subjecting them to surgical mutilation, with up to 80% complication rate, that does nothing to improve their mental health. Sterilising them as a first line treatment. Denying research on ROGD or detransitioning. Using fraudulently presented data as an excuse to do this.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=hnkuEsGFcUY

‘How a lesbian can believe she is a gay trans man...’ by GNC Centric

How many of you are lesbians?
Please don't claim you know what we are unless you are one.
Clue: we are very diverse, and we don't all agree

I’ll repeat my post for you FrackOff with your defamatory quote.

How is the British Medical Journal a right wing publication controlled by trolls in Russia or Poland?

How does a child who goes on puberty blockers, has their body arrested in a pre-pubertal state and then goes onto cross sex hormones have an orgasm as an adult?

Birdsfoottrefoil that's a very good point about how so called supporters of trans people are willing to let them have appalling standards of research and medical care. You would think they would advocate for the opposite - more caution, more research, more long term follow up - evidence based treatments so that trans people have the best outcomes.

@NotBadConsidering you've conflated two points

1. The BMJ's reporting has recently been unhelpful for trans people
2. Russian trolls are using the GC discourse to destablise liberationist movements